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Title: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 22, 2015, 01:16:11 pm
hi i need to buy lenova y50-70 laptop have a 16 GB ram and g force 860 m graphics can suggest is how much pass mark can obtain and witch level scene can render and video also
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 22, 2015, 01:33:23 pm
hi i need to buy laptop for lumian3d please  suggest me only laptop i search for lenova y 50 but it not reach minimum graphics pass marks please suggest me fast i need to buy tomorrow i confused lot for this
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: Morten on May 22, 2015, 03:27:17 pm
Hi hspradee1, please read this post (http://forum.lumion3d.com/f-a-q/lumion-5-minimum-system-requirements/).

We do not recommend laptop PCs from specific manufacturers.

You just need to make sure that the graphics card is suitable for the level of complexity you have in mind.

The post above explains what you can expect based on the PassMark score of a given graphics card.
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 23, 2015, 09:57:48 am
thanks for reply and can u tell me lenova y 50-70 how much points will get is it suitable for which level render is also is suitable for animation or not please suggest
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 23, 2015, 09:59:29 am
thanks for reply and can u tell me lenova y 50-70 how much points will get is it suitable for which level render is also is suitable for animation or not please suggest
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 23, 2015, 10:12:00 am
k suggest me any laptop is there to use lumian 3d please
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: peterm on May 24, 2015, 01:03:02 am
Hi hspradee1

Is it essential that you have a laptop?  Have you considered a desktop?  There is much more performance from desktop graphics cards than in laptops for the same cost.

To determine whether a PC (laptop or desktop) is in the range of suitability, you need to follow the Guide in the Sticky Morten mentioned.  It gives you the link to Passmarks which tells you the current average Passmark for a given graphics card.  Then compare that result to our guide on Passmarks required for different levels of complexity in the scene.

The Passmark for the GTX 860M is 1643, which is below minimum requirements.

You need to look at a laptop (or desktop) with Passmarks of 2000 or above.  For laptops those are ones with GTX 775M or above (GTX 780M, 870M, 880M, 970M, 980M, or equivalent ATI/AMD Radeon cards).

Here's some topics from a Search on 'laptop':
1. Which Notebook model is able to run Lumion? (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=96481.msg346601#msg346601)
2. New Laptop for Lumion (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=84081.msg287222#msg287222).
3. Minimum hardware requirements on Laptop (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=10548.msg63045#msg63045).

You also need to determine the type of scene (projects) you are wanting to do, and compare those with the guide.

A good way to do that is look at other scenes made with Lumion at the Finished Projects Board and compare those to the ones you are wanting to do.

Here's a topic that looks at some videos to get more of an idea about scene complexity (detail): Defining 'complexity'? (Video card recommendation please) (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=94941.msg338911#msg338911).

As Morten mentioned earlier
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We do not recommend laptop PCs from specific manufacturers.

If you find a PC that fits our guidelines, then let us know the specifications and the type of scenes you want to make, and we can provide some further feedback.  :)
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 25, 2015, 07:42:30 am
Hi sry  i not satisfied  your answer pls suggest properly there is a option to buy a loptop for lumian or not properly mention which  laptop is good to use lumian mention that name if modifications  of the laptop is required  i will do that pls i confused  these  things  pls i hold my perchase from last week  pls suggest properly
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: Morten on May 25, 2015, 09:11:35 am
Hi hspradee1, as mentioned above, we do not recommend specific laptop PCs from specific manufacturers.

If you want to buy a suitable laptop PC for Lumion, the first step is to decide how many PassMark points you require versus the complexity of the scenes you expect to be working on (See the link to the 'minimum hardware requirements (http://forum.lumion3d.com/f-a-q/lumion-5-minimum-system-requirements/)' in my previous reply). To make it even easier for you to pick one, Peter already listed the suitable graphics cards in his previous reply.

If you want to see which laptop PCs other users buy, you can click on some of the links below.

You need to look at a laptop (or desktop) with Passmarks of 2000 or above.  For laptops those are ones with GTX 775M or above (GTX 780M, 870M, 880M, 970M, 980M, or equivalent ATI/AMD Radeon cards).

Here's some topics from a Search on 'laptop':
1. Which Notebook model is able to run Lumion? (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=96481.msg346601#msg346601)
2. New Laptop for Lumion (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=84081.msg287222#msg287222).
3. Minimum hardware requirements on Laptop (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=10548.msg63045#msg63045).
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 25, 2015, 06:59:15 pm
K finally  i go to desktop k pls explain wt is the difference between simple seen and complex scene  and i go to buy
Intel core 17 [email protected] - 9866 pass mark
Graphics - amd redon r9 290 have 6500 pass mark suggest if i go to higher  processer  or its enough
And 16 gb ram
1 tb r disk
Suggest me
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: peterm on May 26, 2015, 05:39:13 am
Hi hspradee1

K finally  i go to desktop k pls explain wt is the difference between simple seen and complex scene  and i go to buy...
Scene complexity is determined by a number of things, these are the main ones:
 [dot] Number of polygons, number of materials, number of textures, resolution of textures, number of objects.
 [dot] Also, the type of Effects used, for example Global Illumination, Reflection Planes, Volume Clouds, are 'high end' effects; they require lots more GPU performance.
 [dot] And, number of 'high end' effects used per Clip:  affects how long it takes to render.

A simple scene might have a small number of polygons and small number of objects for the entourage, but still be much more than a simple scene because it uses expensive effects such as lots of Reflection Planes.

So the difference between a simple and complex scene is the amount and combination of those features.

Note it's a combination of performance features of the PC.  That is, (mainly) the GPU, but also motherboard, CPU, RAM. 

Morten explains here about how one of the complexity features can impact on using  Lumion:
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If you use a lot of high resolution textures on a graphics card with low memory, you are likely to experience stuttering as you move the camera around in the scene in real-time. Especially if you pan from side to side, when new objects come into view. This is because the graphics card needs to load the textures on the fly. Low GPU memory may also result in 'warped 3D points' (streaks/lines of polygons).

A slow graphics card on the other hand will result in a persistently low frame rate, i.e. not a very smooth walk through in real-time.

The smoothness of camera animations is not affected by graphics card memory when rendering MP4s.



In my earlier reply mentioning the topic (Defining 'complexity'? (Video card recommendation please) (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=94941.msg338911#msg338911)) where videos were referenced to get an idea of complexity, you will see that most of those were in the range of 6000 to 8000 Passmarks:
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My assessment, based on the videos is:
 [dot] There's a range of lower Moderately Complex to Mid (and Upper) Highly Complex  :-\ So the range of Passmarks needed would be 6000 to above 8000.
 [dot] To be conservative, client should aim for 8000 plus.  The price differential in some cases makes little difference to go up, especially considering it's a business investment with a 2 to 3 year life.
..



...Graphics - amd redon r9 290 have 6500 pass mark suggest if i go to higher  processer  or its enough..

In order for you to determine if the desktop with AMD R9 20 graphics card is enough, you need to have an idea about the type of scenes you are going to create with Lumion. 

If you can provide some descriptions, or some comparative videos, then we can indicate a little more (no assurances) about the Passmarks required.

Alternatively, I would suggest in answer, that you purchase the best graphics card you can currently get, that is, a GTX Titan X.  It has 12GB VRAM with a Passmark of 11244. 

An option with less VRAM could be the GTX 980 (4 GB and Passmark 9700).

Also, as we have no idea about your budget we cannot indicate other higher or lessor options.

The desktop you mention fits within the "Recommended System Requirements" from our LUMION 5: Minimum system requirements (http://forum.lumion3d.com/index.php?topic=2548.0).  It (should) be able to handle from simple to moderately complex scenes.  But because it of the 3GB of VRAM and it's Passmark, it's not going to reach the capability to do complex scenes, or probably do the higher moderately complex type scene.


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DISCLAIMER: Please note that the above does not mean that I or Act-3D endorse specific products. We are unable to offer any guarantees regarding the expected performance in Lumion with the above-mentioned hardware, and you cannot hold us liable for any costs or damages incurred if you purchase hardware based on our posts on this forum or via email.
Title: FOR SMALL FIRM Readon r9 290 graphics Intel core i7 [email protected] gz processor
Post by: hspradee1 on May 30, 2015, 02:36:19 pm
Final i book a
Intel core i7 [email protected] gz processor
Readon r9 290 graphics
24 gb ram
1 tb r disk
22" dell led monitor
Tnks for your information  and pls explain  its capacity on using lumian 3d FOR A SMALL FIRM
Title: lenova y 50 and geforce gt 630
Post by: hspradee1 on May 30, 2015, 09:44:15 pm
In my office we use geforcegt 630 graphics with pass marks 786 it will work medium level sceens but y u not reffering to buy lenova y 50 laptop which should have geforcegtx860m 1760 pass marks please tell me i confused i dont have time i already lost my precious time to knowing this pls clarify this fast i need to purchase
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: peterm on May 31, 2015, 02:29:40 pm
Lumion mainly uses the graphics card.  About 90% of the work is done using the GPU and not the CPU.  Other 3D software such as SketchUp, Revit or other CAD use the CPU.  The graphics card for the PC that you have does not get used much, it's mostly done on the CPU.

For Lumion it's the GPU Passmark that is critical, and your current PC (or the laptop) does not have a sufficient Passmark to run Lumion. 

Why do you think you need to use Lumion, what are you going to use it for:
1. What do you mean by "medium level scenes" - provide some description or example renders.

2. What is your project profile ("small office" has no reference to the type of projects you might have been doing, or want to do)? Residential small single homes, residential large single homes, residential expensive, residential subdivisions, commercial retail, commercial offices, industrial etc.

3. Do you provide visualizations to clients, or have they been floor plans, or some exterior only shots, or occasional interiors of main rooms etc?

4. What type of scenes do you want to render?  For example interior - do you render just each room or a selection of rooms, all rooms, interior only, exterior only, combination of interior and exteriors.  Stills only or animations, or both?


Here's some videos of Lumion Example Scenes that would be suitable when working with the R9 290:
1. Lumion 5 Examples - Villa Cabrera (http://www.facebook.com/LumionCommunity/videos/675784465853181/?type=1&theater).
2. Lumion 5 Examples - Beach House (https://www.facebook.com/LumionCommunity/videos/674073049357656/?type=1&theater).
3. Lumion V5 Example Scenes - Farnsworth House (https://www.facebook.com/LumionCommunity/videos/669810923117202/?type=1&theater).
4. Lumion 5 Example - Villa Amanzi - Afternoon to... (https://www.facebook.com/LumionCommunity/videos/681272661971028/?type=1&theater).

These are some user examples where a graphics card similar to the R9 290 (6500 Passmarks) may have been used (these are from the topic mentioned earlier):
1. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/residential-renovationexpansion-project/ (upper limit).
2. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/picture-gallery/
3. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/clubhouse-%28wip%29/
4. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/education-building/
5. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/office-building-project/
6. http://forum.lumion3d.com/gallery-best-works/interior-with-atrium/
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: hspradee1 on May 31, 2015, 06:05:01 pm
But sorry  i cancel my booking  i go to buy lenova  y  50 70 i have small office we create simple houses with some g+4 residential  buildings  i alwais travelling  1 place to other so i need to buy lap so pls clearly told me wts the capacity  in lumian and in my office we use gt 630graphics  its not good but we will easily  render some level exterior ots have just 700 level pass marks pls told me properly can 1 perchase a laptop or not in my situation
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: Morten on May 31, 2015, 06:56:36 pm
Hi hspradee1, here are your options:

1) USING THE EXISTING LAPTOP PC
Regarding the GT630, we are unable to provide technical support when customers use PCs that do not meet the minimum system requirements. In your case, a laptop PC with a GT630 graphics card falls under that category. If you continue to use this laptop PC, you will encounter artifacts, unexplained behaviour and issues you might think are software errors (that are in fact caused by the graphics card). For that reason, we would advise you against using this laptop PC.

2) BUYING A NEW LAPTOP PC
However, you can purchase a new laptop PC that meets or exceeds the minium system requirements.
All you need to do is to buy a laptop PC with one of the graphics cards that Peter already listed:

You need to look at a laptop (or desktop) with Passmarks of 2000 or above. For laptops those are ones with GTX 775M or above (GTX 780M, 870M, 880M, 970M, 980M, or equivalent ATI/AMD Radeon cards).
The best laptop graphics card that would allow you to work on moderately to very complex projects is currently a laptop PC with the Nvidia 980M. This graphics card gets 6,594 PassMark points (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GTX+980M&id=3206) which is awesome for a laptop PC. If such a PC isn't available to you, you will have to settle for one of the less powerful graphics cards on Peter's list.

3) BUYING A NEW DESKTOP PC
Alternatively, you can buy a desktop PC. If you buy a desktop PC with an Nvidia GTX 980 (the much faster desktop version of the mobile Nvidia 980M) this card gets 9,709 PassMark points which would allow you to work on very complex projects, i.e. projects with lots of models and movie effects. If you pick a slower card with fewer PassMark points, you will still be able to render videos etc but don't expect to be able to add quite so many models and movie effects to your projects.

Does this answer your question?
Title: Re: for buy lenova y50 laptop
Post by: Pauldavis on June 06, 2015, 04:39:26 am
I wouldn't get the Lenova. The graphics card is under powered.  You need a gaming laptop with at least the gtx970m.  I use a desktop and laptop for lumion.  My laptop is a Dell alienware 15.  It has a gtx970m and works great for all my projects.  MSI and Asus also make comparable gaming laptops in the same price range ($1200-1500).