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Title: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 08, 2012, 07:47:57 pm
... and from our Belgian Lumion friends...

http://lumion3d.be/more-screenshots (http://lumion3d.be/more-screenshots)

Do I see there planar reflections on the floor  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on September 08, 2012, 08:35:05 pm
 :D :D :D :D
Jacobs I´m sorry but that is from Lumion 1.0 !!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 08, 2012, 09:28:25 pm
... so the guys at ACT 3D removed the planar reflections after version 1???
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on September 08, 2012, 10:40:29 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 09, 2012, 01:18:44 am
... so what are the reflections on the floor???
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on September 09, 2012, 10:30:28 am
Jacobs, there are reflections, aligned with the sphere control, nothing more and nothing less, you can get this reflections, and works fairly well for a static perspective, but when you want to animate the camera moves around the ground irreparably. Look Ronen's latest work, I pass a link, which achieved reflections in the crystals that for Lumion are a luxury, and where there should be strategically located the sphere by each animated cameras.
https://vimeo.com/47660819
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: engamoudi on September 09, 2012, 11:55:07 pm
i am sorry for this

but lumion development team keeping working only on nature stuff developmant

what about Architecture things ??!!!
what about glass transparency control ??!!
what about reflection ??!!
what about Global Illumination GI ??!!
what about parallel veiws and top veiws??!!

our customers dont care a bout cloud shadows or rain water purity and snow density!!
they want first to see thier buildings with good material appearance and real colors and glass reflection

i am sorry lumion team ; we want you to give more attention to Architecture visualization
thats lumion must to be ..
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 10, 2012, 10:13:23 am
... so the guys at ACT 3D removed the planar reflections after version 1???

No, if you place the reflection map location at the position of the camera it nearly looks like planar reflections. In v1.0 the reflection map was always generated on the position of the camera. This caused many problems because you would see a tree passing by in the reflection and it looked weird. In the current version the reflection map is located in the sky by default and you can move it to any position you like to get the best results.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 10, 2012, 10:24:31 am
but lumion development team keeping working only on nature stuff developmant

Please be patient and keep checking the blog ;)

The new clouds are just one among many other new features in the upcoming 3.0.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on September 10, 2012, 11:57:42 am
i am sorry for this

but lumion development team keeping working only on nature stuff developmant

what about Architecture things ??!!!
what about glass transparency control ??!!
what about reflection ??!!
what about Global Illumination GI ??!!
what about parallel veiws and top veiws??!!

our customers dont care a bout cloud shadows or rain water purity and snow density!!
they want first to see thier buildings with good material appearance and real colors and glass reflection

i am sorry lumion team ; we want you to give more attention to Architecture visualization
thats lumion must to be ..


+1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on September 10, 2012, 12:19:14 pm
"The new Lumion will even be able to cast cloud shadows. For the first time you will be able to fly in between clouds and see them wrap around mountains"
Amoudi and Jorgensen, I´m sorry but I can not more disagree with you guys, this is an excellent development, that I think don´t have nor Twinmotion or CryENGINE or UDK.
"Nature Stuff" is one of various factors involving an architectural visualization features a remarkable level range. Let us not complain beforehand because there would be of little sense.
The clouds improvements are great for ArchViz! :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on September 10, 2012, 12:26:13 pm
i too cant wait to get my hands on cloudshadows !!
a video of this effect would be very very nice  ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 10, 2012, 12:29:25 pm
Also, as was mentioned earlier, "...the new clouds are just one among many other new features in the upcoming 3.0."
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: engamoudi on September 10, 2012, 04:04:57 pm
Please be patient and keep checking the blog ;)

The new clouds are just one among many other new features in the upcoming 3.0.

thanks Morten for replay
that is good news to see new improvment in version 3.0

lumion is a revolution software in Architecture industry ; and we want it to be more perfect in the future

*** Also there is some thing missing in lumion library
   which is a simple Geometry objects like planar rectangle ,planar circle, sequare, cube, cylinder , with customized size and material
ofcourse Lumion is not modeling software but simple modeling capability will not hurt  and will save time
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on September 10, 2012, 04:31:51 pm
+1
-1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 10, 2012, 04:48:33 pm
simple Geometry objects like planar rectangle ,planar circle, sequare, cube, cylinder , with customized size and material
... simple modeling capability will not hurt  and will save time

Thanks for your idea, engamoudi.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on September 10, 2012, 09:40:51 pm
November seems ..............years & years away ..........................
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 11, 2012, 03:47:05 am
They are beautiful.

It is very natural. :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 12, 2012, 03:14:25 pm
Awsome movies of 3D clouds online NOW!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on September 12, 2012, 03:23:27 pm
Awsome movies of 3D clouds online NOW!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)


Nice, really really, but doesn't contribute to rendering quality, GI and real reflection would..................
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 12, 2012, 03:30:47 pm

Nice, really really, but doesn't contribute to rendering quality, GI and real reflection would..................

We still have at least 6 weeks to go before release. This equals about 12 updates on the blog.

It pretty much says it in the description:
Quote
Before we dive into details about user interface improvements and other new features we would like to give you a preview of the spectaculair new 3D clouds.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gga_Mars on September 12, 2012, 03:40:52 pm
Yeahhh !!!! Very Cool  :o :o :o
Even if in town planning and architectural visualisation this is not very essential for me...
It's still impressive, and of course many questions comes to my mind like "what's the render time?" and do we need to sell in advance a kidney on ebay to buy 4 "GTX999999990" ?  :-D

Cheers
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: thecravatman on September 12, 2012, 03:49:41 pm

Nice, really really, but doesn't contribute to rendering quality, GI and real reflection would..................

Maybe not rendering quality but it sure does add to the overall subjective render quality. Great addition and another leap forward in realism.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 12, 2012, 03:49:59 pm
Beautiful scenery .... congratulations.  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on September 12, 2012, 06:34:11 pm
Awsome movies of 3D clouds online NOW!

Remko one more such awesomeness and I will upgrade immediately. Thanks for your efforts.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: f8sf on September 12, 2012, 07:06:32 pm
grass still stands horizontally on slopes. looks like still no ability to paint vegetation with brushes..
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on September 12, 2012, 07:17:06 pm
Are we allowed to ask questions about Cloud layers ?

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on September 12, 2012, 07:55:14 pm
i absolutely love it !!
if all news about lumion 3.0 have such quality ... i will gladly throw my money at you !!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on September 13, 2012, 05:21:18 am
The clouds look great.
Like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp-EzjYB5VM#ws)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on September 13, 2012, 07:18:15 am
From what has been revealed so far, I can say Lumion is going up to the next level of quality!
Great!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 13, 2012, 12:09:19 pm
From what has been revealed so far, I can say Lumion is going up to the next level of quality!
Great!

You have not seen anything yet. Our top priority is usability. The second area is render quality. The third major change will be in the area of new functions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on September 13, 2012, 12:30:19 pm
Sounds great Remko.   :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 13, 2012, 01:37:12 pm
This is more interesting as the yesterdays iphone5 presentation. ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 13, 2012, 02:38:26 pm
Dear Lumion friends... after some browsing over the net I came to the below site that shows some Lumion 3.0 images.

http://byzantos.com/portfolio/lumion-speedtree/ (http://byzantos.com/portfolio/lumion-speedtree/)

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 13, 2012, 02:56:56 pm
This is more interesting as the yesterdays iphone5 presentation. ;)

I already have access to specifics about the iPhone 6! It will be thinner and lighter. Again. ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on September 13, 2012, 03:07:44 pm
I have to say that the sky video is very impressive !!  :o

Personaly I'm looking forward for the improvements regarding closeup renderings, like reflections, facades and the User Interface.

But is does look promising :-)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on September 13, 2012, 10:47:30 pm
realmente impresionante,!! como dije siempre le tengo mucha fe a este programa Lumion !! ahora a esperar los avances de GI , reflexiones, etc !! sorry not english
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on September 13, 2012, 10:57:44 pm
realmente impresionante,!! como dije siempre le tengo mucha fe a este programa Lumion !! ahora a esperar los avances de GI , reflexiones, etc !! sorry not english

Google Translator:   "really impressive! as I always I have great faith in this program Lumion! now expect advances in GI, reflections, etc. !!"

 :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on September 14, 2012, 12:43:57 am
apples iphone 5 was really very disappointing .... !!!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 14, 2012, 10:21:03 am
I think it just shows we are at a technological / innovation limit. Its a fine crafted piece of hardware but at this time I think the software of a device gives the most user benefit over faster/thinner hardware.

Like better voice interaction, useability and so on.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on September 14, 2012, 10:35:14 am
Google Translator:   "really impressive! as I always I have great faith in this program Lumion! now expect advances in GI, reflections, etc. !!"

 :D
JEJEJEJ GRACIAS ! :d TRADUCTOR OFICIAL DE LUMION! :d SALUDOZ !
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on September 14, 2012, 10:49:30 am
 ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on September 14, 2012, 12:28:28 pm
First of all

thank you Lumion team for your great efforts, it meant a lot to all lumion users since limion 1.0 and you always make us say wow with every update.

second of all the clouds enhancement is really impressive and adds more realism, on the other hand we still are waiting for something technical and useful in terms of "Architectural Visualization" because i as an architect find it an important issue. because in real work with clients they really ask for technical stuff.

and i agree with all what engamoudi says in here



what about Architecture things ??!!!
what about glass transparency control ??!!
what about reflection ??!!
what about Global Illumination GI ??!!
what about parallel veiws and top veiws??!!

our customers dont care a bout cloud shadows or rain water purity and snow density!!
they want first to see thier buildings with good material appearance and real colors and glass reflection


reflection is everything in rendering so im really hoping for an update on that matter.

still we shouldn't hesitate and wait for the upcoming updates, really excited and happy with all of what you are doing guys, good job and keep it up :)

sorry for the long post :P
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on September 14, 2012, 02:47:46 pm
Congrats to lumion team! The clouds look very realistic. I think you have done extremely well in these categories- SKY/CLOUDS, OCEAN WATER, PLANTS, LIGHTS, SMOKE, FOG, &TERRAINS.

If lumion 3.0, will have perfected the most highly demanded areas, i.e, reflections, terrain modelling, seated people, material shaders, & import of advanced amimations, then lumion will have nailed all its competitors. There will be no looking back or side ways but forge ahead with lumion!!!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Truls on September 14, 2012, 03:15:24 pm
Updated http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3-0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3-0-preview)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 14, 2012, 03:54:59 pm
Wow :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on September 14, 2012, 04:00:44 pm
Wow :-D

Took the word right out of my mouth!  i will add one more...Fantastic! :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jlnsvfx on September 14, 2012, 04:42:11 pm
With new cloud feature you just outperformed Vue - although I wish Lumion had some of the features that Vue has, that being shader development, tree painting and ecosytem, terrain sculpting.

The new features in 3.0 definitely outperforms cryengine3 and UDK.  Awesome!!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 14, 2012, 05:02:36 pm
I love all these tonal variations of the atmosphere. They are very real and impactful. They look like movie scenes.  :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: dcrosssvpa on September 14, 2012, 06:55:30 pm
Wow...can't wait to play with all the settings...I bet you can generate some fantastic sunrise/sunset shots....eager to see Nicholas and his "magic blue hour"!!!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on September 14, 2012, 08:28:39 pm
crazy über fantastic !!

and now imagine this with proper reflection of the water .... ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: f8sf on September 15, 2012, 04:00:36 am
even more awesome if they change grass textures too. the default looks like $hit.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on September 15, 2012, 06:32:45 am
Dear Lumion team

This feature has been added to your software? Some light on the darkness of the stage itself, and automatic lighting at night will do?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: SEVERINO on September 15, 2012, 09:41:36 am
Congrats to lumion team! The clouds look very realistic. I think you have done extremely well in these categories- SKY/CLOUDS, OCEAN WATER, PLANTS, LIGHTS, SMOKE, FOG, &TERRAINS.

If lumion 3.0, will have perfected the most highly demanded areas, i.e, reflections, terrain modelling, seated people, material shaders, & import of advanced amimations, then lumion will have nailed all its competitors. There will be no looking back or side ways but forge ahead with lumion!!!
Completely agree, I'm waiting to know that we have new in Lumion 3.0 on terrain modeling, advanced animations and reflections. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Please Lumion team, touches of this progress next week. :-P :-P
 So far presented is fantastic congratulations. :-o

 Best regards,
 Severino
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: gabrielefx on September 15, 2012, 02:17:39 pm
impressive cloud animation!

is it possible to link rain and the clouds? Are the clouds random positioned?

Lumion could be used for weather forecast
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gaieus on September 15, 2012, 03:43:23 pm
(http://users.atw.hu/swb/smile/hiphopp.gif)

Really can't wait!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 16, 2012, 03:46:14 pm
ok really nice,

i give 5% from updateprice for the clouds and 5% for the ocean and 10% less for to pay half of the models and speedtrees if i have payed in 2.

whats are the 100% of the update?

the cloudseffects there are volums? , its possibl to change the clouds layer high? because i use real 3d tv (Stereo) for pesentation 4k 55zoll. in 2.5 the clouds are only maps far away like a cube and not really to use for 3d picture and films. same for the sketch filter effects too.

blease i dont need, one more wackel dackel camera

and why i dont have, the stickers like everyone (ultimate etc.) the blue one?.  ::)

this is made with a sketchup plugin for 160$
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on September 16, 2012, 08:42:39 pm
ok really nice,

i give 5% from updateprice for the clouds and 5% for the ocean and 10% less for to pay half of the models and speedtrees if i have payed in 2.

whats are the 100% of the update?

the cloudseffects there are volums? , its possibel to change the clouds layer high? because i use real 3d tv (Stereo) for pesentation 4k 55zoll. in 2.5 the clouds are only maps far away like a cube and not really to use for 3d picture and films. same for the sketch filter effects too.

blease i dont need, one more wackel dackel camera

and why i dont have, the stickers like everyone (ultimate etc.) the blue one?.  ::)

this is made with a sketchup plugin for 160$
You have not seen anything yet neither I, so be patient for 15 days :D. The render quality of course is evidently changed. The new functions i think too, so that plugins that you used i suppose that fall down with this extraordinary new Lumion 3 update
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on September 16, 2012, 09:34:26 pm
You have not seen anything yet. Our top priority is usability. The second area is render quality. The third major change will be in the area of new functions.

that sounds very good, can't wait to read more details. buying update soon, anyway....stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 16, 2012, 10:55:19 pm
yes im too, i hope for a really good updating for that price.

yes,yes,yes no i am a lumion thanks

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on September 17, 2012, 06:22:51 am
ok really nice,

i give 5% from updateprice for the clouds and 5% for the ocean and 10% less for to pay half of the models and speedtrees if i have payed in 2.

whats are the 100% of the update?

the cloudseffects there are volums? , its possibl to change the clouds layer high? because i use real 3d tv (Stereo) for pesentation 4k 55zoll. in 2.5 the clouds are only maps far away like a cube and not really to use for 3d picture and films. same for the sketch filter effects too.

blease i dont need, one more wackel dackel camera

and why i dont have, the stickers like everyone (ultimate etc.) the blue one?.  ::)

this is made with a sketchup plugin for 160$

whats the name of that plugin ? it looks nice
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on September 19, 2012, 03:11:25 pm
Please, give us some clue about reflection and GI on the 3.0 version.

I'm waiting for some infos about those to make a pitch on a potential project.

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Truls on September 19, 2012, 03:38:27 pm
What we revealed today is good news for Lumion users that rarely use video/photo effects.

We made it easier to choose and navigate in the effects area.

here is the latest news. http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)

More info will be released soon about new functions and improvements. The list is long.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on September 19, 2012, 05:06:01 pm
What we revealed today is good news for Lumion users that rarely use video/photo effects.

We made it easier to choose and navigate in the effects area.

here is the latest news. http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)

More info will be released soon about new functions and improvements. The list is long.
Thank You Truls, this is great with effect picker icon , but let me suggest smth,
please add Text under the Icon name of color/scene/special effect; pro effect or animation to make it more comfortable and readable.thank you again
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Truls on September 19, 2012, 06:35:09 pm
Thanks for the tip. :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 19, 2012, 08:36:03 pm
yes text is important, because, how you can explane somebody for example by phone or mail wich effects or icons he had to use.

maybe so.: 1. colum 2. zell loly pop icon its looks like dagobert or luky strike etc., sorry thats it not really good.
text is necessary.
blease try it by your self. explane somebody the loly pop icon without to use the word for that like  camera, fog sun etc. its not prof. use. everything has it name und flens flar or bloming is correct.
dont use (might be it is text when mouse-over, for all i know) sorry that is an impact of all.

the ape have learn to speak and write, not to handle with apps, it only for apple apes
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 19, 2012, 08:50:15 pm
Yes .. Text is important.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on September 19, 2012, 09:41:02 pm
for the menue structure once again:

if the lumion team wants to keep this 'picture oriented' menues, ok, but then please program a parallel alphanumeric menue system with parameter-tables, user derinable shortcuts and free user definable menue bars
the user then can decide, which menue-type he uses.

all parameters should be available as lists and tabels (excel-like, TEXT AS MENTIONED ABOVE),

so that the user can for example

copy an effect form video 1 and apply it to 10 free selected videos AT ONCE ( c & p)

copy sun-settings from 1 selected view (build) to more selected or all pictures /views AT ONCE

means, a flexible managment of data / parameters and so on is a MUST.

beside this please insert a batch system and makro system for simple data-operation, by this one could program own presets and aply them simply to a selected section of views or videos ( in the video section this idea already works , since you can define default videos with a set of effects and use it like a preset, thanx for that)...

in contrary to the 'apple-ape'-statement above i think, for a client interface with limited amount of functions a picture based interface works well , on the other hand it is not necessary to fill the screen with 9 big pictures for effects to make a 'show', where not necessary.

we users - professionals - already bought the product , so more info per site is better for the workflow and saves time / reduces clicking around.

or with other words : on a 25 inch screen at least the most daily-routine-parameters could be deiplayed on one menu bar left on the screen - no menue hopping, permanent access.....

take a look at some cad programs, or even sketchup.......

so again - both interface types are useful in different situations, and since lumion's goal surely is to be nr. 1 , please let the USER deside, how he wants to work........and offer those alternatives.

thanx stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 20, 2012, 09:57:23 am
Yes .. Text is important.

There is still text but in the tooltip, just like everywhere else in Lumion.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: portrait on September 20, 2012, 10:15:10 am
Is there going to be a constant image on the effects preview window(like icons,i mean) or these previews are gonna be refreshed each time due to our point of view?
Of course it would be better to see your own model on this window, but in case you work with big and complex models this could be painful!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on September 20, 2012, 10:29:02 am
Hi
this picture demonstrates that we will have a non linear animation with different heights
It is true ? or not
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: SEVERINO on September 20, 2012, 11:52:36 am
Lumion team, which submitted so far of the new Lumion 3 is fine, but as I said a Spanish writer D. Francisco Umbral: "What I want is to talk about my book." ;) ;)

Could you tell me whether any progress is being investigated to incorporate in the new Lumion 3, on the following topics:

1. - REFLECTIONS. :-9 :-9
2. - TERRAIN MODELING TOOLS MORE DETAILED. :-9 :-9
3. - AND ADJUSTMENTS OBJECT ANIMATION. :-9 :-9

Thank you very much,
Severino
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on September 20, 2012, 01:20:43 pm
nothing on reflections yet :(
i kinda dont care if its easier to use or such, the important thing is the technical issues :S
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: MrWip on September 20, 2012, 01:51:10 pm
I all,

I'm following with deep interest the developpement of Lumion, even if I haven't use it really, mainly due to some details that where annoying me, and I'm curious to know if they will be adressed in this release :

- A geolocalized sun model : since the beginning I haven't been able to figure out your choice for the sun tool (height and direction). Mainly every other software choose to work with a date / hour system, link to some kind of north tool. It's really intuitive and logical, since every architectural project is supposed to be built somewhere. Are you working on that ?

- An import that respect global coordinate : when you export something from sketchup into max (for example), or the other way around, it's possible to keep the same origin, and then be able to add object from one software to the other whithout placing it by hand.
It's really simple and works since a long time in all other programs, but not in Lumion... why ?
I know there is a possibility to update a model, but it's not as flexible as this

- A "transparency" parametre : So far, I've been looking everywhere in the material tool, but there seems to be no way to change the transparency of a material, whithout changing it into glass. It's a rather problematic issue, since many transparent things could be something else than glass. I still don't get why this function does not exist. Even Sketchup, which possess the simpler material editor ever, gives this possibility.

- A gizmo : when you want to move an object, you have to struggle with controls tools that are not really friendly, and all separate. You always have to go like "first move, then back to the menu, choose rotate, go back, and so on "... An old fashioned gizmo containing the classical move rotate scale tools, seems to be way more efficient.

- An import that respect the model hierarchy : Even a big big model, a whole city for example, is imported as a single object. Could it be thinkable to import it with the respect of it's hierarchy (sketchup nested groups for example). It works really well in Thea (which of course is a quite different software, but still, not that far..). Then you're able to make quick modification (moving a building, or a furniture..) without going back in the modeling software.

...With this software you've reinvented many things, and that's great. The movie editor is a pure gem, the rendering engine is really really strong and beautiful, but on some point, in my opinion, you've tried to reinvent too much things, that were working well in the previous generation of software, and I hope it will change back a bit...

I hope it will not sound too critical, because finally you guys are doing a fine job !
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 20, 2012, 02:13:49 pm
I dont like this picuture only movie effect stuff too. Please do some small text below each picture or so or make a switch at least.
I think the idea is cool but some effects are not so good viewable in just a picture.

Maybe a roll-over effect would be nice so the movie effect with a thumbnail of current scene will be visible. but cluttering thumbnails all over the screen is not so nice.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 20, 2012, 04:12:33 pm
There is still text but in the tooltip, just like everywhere else in Lumion.

perfect  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: gabrielefx on September 20, 2012, 11:23:25 pm
switch (bypass) effects on-off?
reorder effects?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gaieus on September 21, 2012, 07:02:59 am
...An import that respect global coordinate : when you export something from sketchup into max (for example), or the other way around, it's possible to keep the same origin, and then be able to add object from one software to the other whithout placing it by hand.
It's really simple and works since a long time in all other programs, but not in Lumion... why ?
I know there is a possibility to update a model, but it's not as flexible as this...

This is mainly for SketchUp but could probably used for other modelling programs, too:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/importing/tip-aligning-objects-sketchup/ (http://lumion3d.com/forum/importing/tip-aligning-objects-sketchup/)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 21, 2012, 10:55:56 am
I all,

I'm following with deep interest the developpement of Lumion, even if I haven't use it really, mainly due to some details that where annoying me, and I'm curious to know if they will be adressed in this release...


Good points. Some things have technical reasons and some are made as they are because of usability. For example moving an object is an extremely difficult job. We actually test this and we test many different methods and see how people do. In the case of a transform gizmo we found that it is a horrible way to move object for most people. It's hard to believe if you are used to it. At Act-3D we work with 3D software for over 15 years here so we are a very bad measure when it comes judging ease of use ourselves. So that's why we test it and we find out things like this.

The movement we have now at least works for everyone. If you use the hotkeys the current method is even faster than a transform gizmo but ofcourse that's more for advanced users. In 3.0 we completely changed the way we deal with hotkeys so I'm sure you will be able use them very effectively.

We keep doing research on things like these and we keep improving things but we'll always be very carefull so we never want to make things more difficult. We'll try to find solutions that work for advanced users while not getting in the way of people who use the software for the first time.

I think some of the practical points about coordinates and sun direction are very valid. We implement things like that in minor updates after the release (3.1 3.5 etc...). A major update is all about introducing new things, completely redesigning things and generrally big things that have a huge impact.

We want to be perfectionists. We set clear and big goals and we take the time we need to develop, research and polish them. There are many tiny tweaks and changes too but at some point we need to focus on the big things and make sure Lumion 3.0 will blow you away. Fortunately results look good and I think it will blow you away and we even have some stuff you never imagined.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 21, 2012, 11:23:53 am
I dont like this picuture only movie effect stuff too. Please do some small text below each picture or so or make a switch at least.
I think the idea is cool but some effects are not so good viewable in just a picture.

Maybe a roll-over effect would be nice so the movie effect with a thumbnail of current scene will be visible. but cluttering thumbnails all over the screen is not so nice.

We got a few comments like that. I would say you just wait until you have used it because it's really a LOT better than the current screen in Lumion 2.5. We also did some things with using an image of the actual scene but that did not really work. The problem is that some effects are barely visible or hard to pick out. In essence a thumbnail of the actual scene in many cases is a really bad representation of what the effect does. The core of this screen is finding the effects you want. We did some tests and found that people simply have no clue what an effect does by it's name. There are are also several effect which are really hard to label. We do have a label but it will pop up if you hover your mouse.

The primairy way to find your effect is visually. Especially if you are used to it you will find that you pick effect within nanoseconds and you do not even have to search. There's location memory, visual memory and associative memory involved when picking an effect and those three already direct you to the right effect long before you can read the text. In practice you only have to read the text in discovery mode at the first time to get some descriptions but after that the pictures are perfect for finding your way quickly.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on September 21, 2012, 03:10:44 pm
New snow is absolutely stunning!
Can't wait to make wintry illustrations!
Would it be possible to have snowed vegetation from the whole content of the plants library?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on September 21, 2012, 03:20:05 pm
SNOWTASTIC !


(http://isasurf.ie/assets/Uploads/_resampled/ResizedImage600450-palmtrees-snow.JPG)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Renovatio on September 21, 2012, 04:43:30 pm
The new snow effect is fantastic. Much more better than Lumion 2.* as all the new effects.

But, I think that there are a small problem with rain and snow... the interior of the buildings have the snow (or rain) effect. It is possible in any way to remove those effects in covered places?

I am interested in the possibility of new possible layers of postproduction such as Wire lines and Ambient shadows.

I am following all the new features of Lumion 3.0, and I'm pretty sure that this software could be my next acquisition. Good work.



Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 21, 2012, 05:40:52 pm
yes, i am too i can´t use snow effects with snow on bed and snow inside cars etc. and snow on seychells i don´t need it. blease give me a matter to spent the money for the update.
wirelines ambient shadows chalk renderings yes,yes,yes real reflektions and radiosity for the lights and stereo output in the picture output with differnt side by side and up and down.
finer sketch pencils with control of directions etc. maybe in 3D 
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 21, 2012, 07:58:06 pm
blease it is possible to get the lumion 3 clouds demo as 3d movie (stereo side by side)?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on September 21, 2012, 08:49:07 pm
Waiting for November to reveal all the secrets of lumion 3.0 may not be a good idea. Come on lumion team, just reveal everything so people can start planning which lumion type they can plan for. Stop teasing us. :7
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on September 21, 2012, 10:41:44 pm
Waiting for November to reveal all the secrets of lumion 3.0 may not be a good idea. Come on lumion team, just reveal everything so people can start planning which lumion type they can plan for. Stop teasing us. :7

+++++++++++++++++++++1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on September 21, 2012, 10:52:16 pm
I like the idea, is to sexy :-D
Look, But Don't Touch :D .Touch, But Don't Taste ::). Taste it in November :P,
Only 10 days for the big day.
thank you Staff
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 22, 2012, 05:24:31 am
Waiting for November to reveal all the secrets of lumion 3.0 may not be a good idea. Come on lumion team, just reveal everything so people can start planning which lumion type they can plan for. Stop teasing us. :7

Like all teasing the ending will be sweet and satisfying  ;)

I'll bet that Act-3D will leave the best for last... planar reflections!!! YES!!! Or not?!  ???

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on September 22, 2012, 05:27:53 am
I like the idea, is to sexy :-D
Look, But Don't Touch :D .Touch, But Don't Taste ::). Taste it in November :P,
Only 10 + 31 days for the big day.
thank you Staff
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on September 22, 2012, 07:54:20 am

The reflections of course will be cherry on the cake ;)
thank you Jacob ;) + 31 days escape twinkling of the eyes, we waited for a long time, what remained is not far away, so little patient for the other.necessary is the final product.
regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on September 22, 2012, 09:12:36 am
No Reflections planned for pro3 ..................but ill still be happy


(http://www.greenitweb.co.za/images/stories/happy_friday.jpg)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on September 22, 2012, 10:34:36 am
 ???
:( :(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on September 22, 2012, 03:41:36 pm
No Reflections planned for pro3 ..................but ill still be happy


If this is true and there's no GI........no matter what other stuff is added to Lumion 3.........i'll be out.

This is supposed to be a soft for Architectural visualisation...don't care about snow at all....not much more about new clouds....................
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 23, 2012, 08:52:25 am
I'm hoping some form of raytracing is the big surprise left for the final announcement.

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on September 23, 2012, 12:07:18 pm
I'm hoping some form of raytracing is the big surprise left for the final announcement.



Im hoping for camera Dutch Tilt as the final announcement


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3427/3288693247_2debd009aa_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on September 23, 2012, 02:12:51 pm
I agree with all of you. Reflections will the biggest surprise. Definitely not ray traced, but some advanced cube map which will closely mimic ray traced reflections. Another area which will probably come as a surprise and an advancement is terrain painting tools. We will probably be adding vegetation to our scenes via a brush tool. Road creator tools might be introduced too. We may also be surprised with the introduction of smaller brush sizes.....who knows... may be none of the above..... :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 23, 2012, 09:23:50 pm
I wonder how many people have done snow project for their clients so far? It looks like a good shader but I wonder on the use for the main group of users here.

Only the sky is a real great useable feature for me at the moment. The ocean and snow are just updated shaders and some UI tweaks in my opinion.

At the end Act-3D could release all or nothing. It's the number one arch-viz real-time tool so it will sell. The high numbers of Ultimate to Pro users here on forums show it too.

But I stay tuned and wait for more. Looks all well so far. :) 
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 23, 2012, 10:01:22 pm
I agree... A scene with snow, rain, is not the best way to showcase a project. At least not outside Scandinavia.

I guess Act-3D has chosen to show the less relevant improvements first, and leave the most important for the final announcement. You gotta keep the faith.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 23, 2012, 10:11:30 pm
greating from seychells klimate has change

greatings from germany snow everywhere inside and outside
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on September 24, 2012, 12:47:18 am
Hi all

Finally how many people use Lumion in the world and what category uses Lumion.

The architects or the graphic designers, the professionals or the free users or better says those that bought the license or those that use it free.

I hope that Lumion understood well that there is a big difference between the two and that some demands are more important than of others.

Those that buy the license contribut to make live Lumion. The other it is not won.

We have neither the same demands nor the same financial needs.

The profesionnels doesn't work for the pleasure but to reach financial imperatives and satisfy customers

It is why I am entirely okay with Enqamoundi or Michael Betke

it is not a critique but just a report and I wait with impatience for the new version to dissipate this doubt.

Sorry for my english and best regards
Francan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on September 24, 2012, 04:17:55 pm
The same old subject again:

"Will Lumion be a Sketchup renderer for architects or a  real-time renderer with environment for everyone?".

The first option has no future as it is a subset of the second. Even the architects will choose the second option if available.

I think Lumion is on the right track, (not that I am also not waiting for GI & reflections).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Holger Neuhauser on September 24, 2012, 05:57:58 pm
Please give us camera export and import. Just FBX or collada.
I could use so many aspects of lumion like water and clouds in 3d compositions, but i need to get that together with other 3D Software.

I think you would really attract more clients which don´t do architectural visualisations in the first place- like me.

Please consider
Thanks
Holger
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gga_Mars on September 24, 2012, 05:59:00 pm
greating from seychells klimate has change
greatings from germany snow everywhere inside and outside
 :D  :-D
Even if i don't need this feature (snow and rain) i thought about a way to correct "the German's indoor snowstorms bug"...
I thought about multiple boxes, that we can draw and that may exclude effect as snow or rain inside, this would do the trick...
I don't know if it's technically possible...

Regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on September 25, 2012, 05:17:59 am
this sucks, i cant wait much longer

brb ill go kill myself........
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 25, 2012, 08:43:36 am
Quote
Please give us camera export and import. Just FBX or collada.
I could use so many aspects of lumion like water and clouds in 3d compositions, but i need to get that together with other 3D Software.

Totally aggree with it. This would be awesome and I missed it several times.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ronald Kissling on September 25, 2012, 04:27:27 pm
 On our wish list:

- save/load movie effects + other settings from other scenes to replicate the look of an older project
- backface-culling on/off switch (we ran into backface culling problems in nearly all projects)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on September 26, 2012, 01:43:09 am
 :D  :-D
Even if i don't need this feature (snow and rain) i thought about a way to correct "the German's indoor snowstorms bug"...
I thought about multiple boxes, that we can draw and that may exclude effect as snow or rain inside, this would do the trick...
I don't know if it's technically possible...

Regards


hi, i don't really think, you will get this, since lumions don't even want to implement a "selection depth" parameter, which would be sooooo needed in a men's perspective selection....
regards stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on September 26, 2012, 01:52:15 am
On our wish list:

- save/load movie effects + other settings from other scenes to replicate the look of an older project
- backface-culling on/off switch (we ran into backface culling problems in nearly all projects)

hi mr. kissling, good to hear aother 1+ for any kind of savable and restorable parameter, since we already have a long discussion about a "total recall" of views in build mode with all parameters saved to a unlimited list (external).

for saving movie effects: at the moment i save lumion project as 'dummy files' incl. movies, so a new project is a dummy + new import.

so morten : again a 1+ for saving paramets!

btw. i just heard, that for example cloud settings may have less parameters in 3.0 then in 2.5. i think, we again have tu argue for a sort of 'doble interface'. a simple one for a quick intuitive working and a 'professional one' with lots of parameters and controllers for professional scene design.

regards stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on September 26, 2012, 04:29:14 pm
Almost the end of september, only 4 weeks left to the official launch of the 3.0........and for the price raise....still seen nothing that would made me spend 882 $ cad so far.

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 12:33:30 am
http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3-0-preview/ (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3-0-preview/)

And a new update! It shows some of the new characters in Lumion 3.0.

Only about 5 weeks left until November so the new features will really get more interesting as we approach the release.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 27, 2012, 03:50:27 am
nice people good people,

than can i use lumion 3.0 in november of all my 6 split monitors on 5 workstations, tools on 1 monitor etc. and rendering one another
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 27, 2012, 07:15:39 am
Nice update, Remko.  :-9 Most projects here include pools, beaches or both, so the new people in swimsuit are very welcome. Now, if you could include people doing soccer, volleyball, biking and jogging in a future update...  :-D

EDIT: I'm wondering why you no longer add people talking.  ???

BTW, will we be able to open 2.5 Pro scenes in 3.0 Pro?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 08:07:22 am
Nice update, Remko.  :-9 Most projects here include pools, beaches or both, so the new people in swimsuit are very welcome. Now, if you could include people doing soccer, volleyball, biking and jogging in a future update...  :-D

EDIT: I'm wondering why you no longer add people talking.  ???

BTW, will we be able to open 2.5 Pro scenes in 3.0 Pro?

Hi, these are not all models so we add more models later. All models are custom made so based on what customers want we will add more when needed. Talking people is a good suggestion and Some business people would be nice. If you have any further suggestions let us know and we will consider it.

You can load 2.5 scenes in version 3.0. There are some minor adjustments you need to make to sky brightness or amount of clouds for example. We wanted to make Lumion 3.0 easier to configure so we changed some of the setting so they are better by default. In practice you will be able to load scenes from 2.5 and have everything corrected in 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 27, 2012, 08:18:26 am
Thanks, Remko. My suggestion would be to focus on people in motion: Talking, walking, etc. Static people can be easily bought on Turbosquid or Got3D and imported to Lumion, but we rely on native Lumion objects for moving people.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: oscarlopez on September 27, 2012, 10:00:25 am
Sometimes and taking advantage of layers we make scenes that simulate the construction of a building, we would like to see workers in helmet, holding blueprints,......
Thx
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 27, 2012, 10:13:20 am
Small typo on the new text:

Quote
different skin coolor and
coolor = color ;)


For the people:
I appreaciate new people but I think it could be the time to introduce a simple skin shader to Lumion. At the moment the skins look dull and lacks of specularity and depth like some basic SSS (sub surface scattering) will make it look more realistic. There are lots of concepts for real-time capable skin shaders out there. So picking on up will be a great benefit for the 3D people.

Also the hair is just a texture. Using basic alphachannel hair would really boost the look for closer renderings of people.

Those little things like improved hair (I'm not talking about complex simulations like in Unreal Engine here) and skin shaders will give more realism as a simple normalmap or boosting polies.

I really like the people from AXYZ-Designs. Maybe if we can get rigged animation import some day I can bring them in Lumion then with custom mocap-data. This would be a great feature to tell stories and not just fly around. :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on September 27, 2012, 10:36:18 am
Almost the end of september, only 4 weeks left to the official launch of the 3.0........and for the price raise....still seen nothing that would made me spend 882 $ cad so far.

I feel the same way - I use Lumion as a replacement for VRAY to create fast presentations.

I don't need (I know some do :-) )
- cartoonish people, dogs, birds etc.
- snow
- rain
- sky
- mountains

I need
- good reflections in a useable resolution
- good lights
- a good and inovative user interface

I'm looking foreward for information regarding these options :-)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on September 27, 2012, 10:41:24 am
I appreciate the introduction of more models, but if they are in 3d and not move or only move imperceptibly, then it is almost better to me, keep the photo 2d silhouettes, gives much more realism.
By the way, some of the models glances scared me!  :D :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 27, 2012, 11:04:08 am
Thanks for your feedback - we are aware of the issues you raise regarding the characters, but please bear in mind that this is a sneak preview. The animations and the shader will be improved in time for the final release (yes, that will include talking/gesticulating animations, Miguel).

The hair and eyelashes do use an opacity mask (it's only 1-bit but it's better than nothing) :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on September 27, 2012, 11:42:23 am
more people in more variations are very good !
i cant wait to see all new people with more animaitions attached.

It would be very very good if we could alter the textures of the models, and if only for colour correction to have a even more variety.
maybe in the properties window there could be an icon for load different texture.
thats of course only possible if you own all rights on the models and textures.....

kind regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 27, 2012, 11:50:38 am
and if only for colour correction to have a even more variety.

A colourmask is probably not going to be possible since we already use 2 textures per character with all channels in use (RGBA). Adding a 3rd texture for a colour mask would increase the memory usage for each character even more. As an alternative, we have made sure that the clothes are varied in both colour and (sometimes) style when a character is available in multiple versions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on September 27, 2012, 12:23:40 pm
I feel the same way - I use Lumion as a replacement for VRAY to create fast presentations.

I don't need (I know some do :-) )
- cartoonish people, dogs, birds etc.
- snow
- rain
- sky
- mountains

I need
- good reflections in a useable resolution
- good lights
- a good and inovative user interface

I'm looking foreward for information regarding these options :-)

Thanks.

The same here except i think the sky is really important :)
reflections is my highest concern right now :( i just hope there will be an update to that
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on September 27, 2012, 12:30:04 pm
Water and  oceans are fantastic in Lumion but it lack swimming's characters moving
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on September 27, 2012, 12:44:20 pm
Exactly!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on September 27, 2012, 02:08:20 pm
Thank you lumion team for finally introducing seated characters. Hopefully you will have
business  characters too. One post here spoke about a very interesting aspect of characters
though I think introducing bvh motion into lumion is a far fetched dream at this stage. Lumion seems to have started off so well in terms of realism for water, clouds, artificial lights, day skies, night skies and a selected plants. We need a similar level of realism to be applied to characters and lumion shaders. Lumion must focus beyond architectural visualisation. Lumion must encompass sectors such as movie industry, simulation of educational programs, fashion industry, and advertising etc.

Perhaps the best approach to characters is to develop only two customizable characters "Mr Lumion & Ms Lumion". These could be posable according to the user's needs. Lumion clothes could be developed.

For now I am happy with the growth pace for lumion. You don't often get such a humongous upgrade with other "giant softwares". Lumion is doing great! I really appreciate.

Regards,

Alickn
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on September 27, 2012, 02:21:59 pm

For now I am happy with the growth pace for lumion. You don't often get such a surmountable upgrade with other "giant softwares". Lumion is doing great! I really appreciate.


Every update has had not only bug fixes, but a massive amount of content improvement.  Take a step back and look at V1 vs V2...and what a huge leap it was.  People seem to be worried about getting what they pre-paid for in the upgrade, i for one am sure there will be some great new wiz-bang functionality and improvements to the existing.  I would venture to guess this will not be your AutoCAD yearly refresh of the same crap especially when you glean information from the little reveals.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 02:47:46 pm
Today I made some fixes which improves the rendering quality of the characters. Check out the screenshots:
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on September 27, 2012, 02:58:58 pm
I am patiently waiting to see what magic L3 will offer. I have to say i can understand all of the different perspectives in this thread and their concerns when you consider that most of us here are using Lumion as a replacement to whatever other viz software we have been using.

i rarely if ever go back and use max or kerkyhtea now. i have completely changed my workflow and process to accommodate what i can and cant get out of lumion for fast and efficient renderings that have a little extra special quality to them, and of course the ease of animation.

i too hope there is some improvement in: reflections, landscaping, cameras, etc. but i really like the other stuff that we have been shown as well.

i look forward to launch. Once again, thanks to the Lumion team for listening and responding to the mob. you guys are doing a great job. i honestly cant imagine doing visualization without Lumion now. starting with the very first issue, Lumion has been a game changer for many of us. I hope this latest version continues the trend.

Bob

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 03:37:22 pm
Here's another image of one of the available characters.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on September 27, 2012, 03:46:34 pm
very nice! love the fact that we will have sitting people too!!

bob
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 27, 2012, 04:37:25 pm
Congratulations to the entire team. They are getting very good.
Characters are much desired by us all.  :-D :-D

I wish they had a more pronounced movement, as in Lumion 1. If the movement is very subtle they are not perceived, with the camera moving and distance.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 04:52:32 pm
Congratulations to the entire team. They are getting very good.
Characters are much desired by us all.  :-D :-D

I wish they had a more pronounced movement, as in Lumion 1. If the movement is very subtle they are not perceived, with the camera moving and distance.

The modeller is adding more motion because we noticed it too.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 27, 2012, 04:53:49 pm
@Gilson: Please read this earlier post:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/announcements/lumion-3-0-secrets-revealed/msg37139/#msg37139 (http://lumion3d.com/forum/announcements/lumion-3-0-secrets-revealed/msg37139/#msg37139)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 27, 2012, 05:00:14 pm
@Gilson: Please read this earlier post:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/announcements/lumion-3-0-secrets-revealed/msg37139/#msg37139 (http://lumion3d.com/forum/announcements/lumion-3-0-secrets-revealed/msg37139/#msg37139)

Morten Yes, I had read this topic.
I made the comment because the second generation of animated characters were made ​​with subtle movements.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on September 27, 2012, 05:10:50 pm
Quote from: Remko
Here's another image of one of the available characters.

These athletes are very natural, congratulations.  :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 27, 2012, 05:26:31 pm
These athletes are very natural, congratulations.  :o

It's a very good model.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: portrait on September 27, 2012, 05:52:06 pm
New characters are looking great, but just wondering one thing. Are there sports people from other nations,too? Afro-American basketball players are very very rare around here :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 27, 2012, 06:11:57 pm
New characters are looking great, but just wondering one thing. Are there sports people from other nations,too?

Hi portrait, not in 3.0 but perhaps in a later update (the goal for the new characters in 3.0 has been to introduce more variety and there's more to come).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 27, 2012, 08:45:13 pm
Just one more thing... Maybe you could put a subtle smile in their faces?
Right now they don't look like they're enjoying themselves. They look like they're lost in their thoughts.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 27, 2012, 11:40:28 pm
yes that´s right and everybody have the same eyes the looks like aliens  }) :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: andrewpage on September 28, 2012, 07:38:02 am
While the enhancements of characters are great, it still looks fake and very gaming like. For gaming it's perfect, but for todays architectural stills and animation in this aggressive competing market, it's not up to par (yet). So, a humble suggestion( and maybe someone has suggested it already)  is to also include 2d photo realistic people, grey or black silhouette characters and translucent characters. Translucent trees would also ad a little bit more realism to the scene.  

Exterior of the new Rijksmuseum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIWRO91P60o#)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 28, 2012, 08:48:13 am
I agree that the new models are still videogamish... Maybe it's time the Lumion artists try some Autodesk software to do this job:  8)
Autodesk 123D Catch for the iPhone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNesS8vo4M#ws)

123D Catch - How to Make 3D Models from Pictures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBg-m2hrIM#ws)

123D Catch Head Test (Photofly) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F74AZ6e2m40#ws)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Domingus on September 28, 2012, 09:16:20 am
Translucent trees would also ad a little bit more realism to the scene.

WHAT ??? ROFL
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on September 28, 2012, 09:33:40 am
He, he...

Another model created with Autodesk photo-to-3D tech:
A Real Photofly Model - Jessica Duplessis - Laying on the grass2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85a0KcgWBEc#ws)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 28, 2012, 10:41:44 am
You can't use 123 Catch models very well for animation. The meshes are not so nice so it will be maybe a problem if you animate them. With a proper 3D scanner it can work better.

See this: http://www.axyz-design.com/index.php?categoryId=216 (http://www.axyz-design.com/index.php?categoryId=216)

For only 54€ this kind of model is awesome and I wish it could be imported into Lumion 3 with just a export click and its rig. :)
It will get so much flexibility then.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 28, 2012, 10:44:05 am
I agree that the new models are still videogamish... Maybe it's time the Lumion artists try some Autodesk software to do this job:  8)
000

Video game makers do not make characters look like they do on purpose. If they could have more realistic models they would have used those of course.

The thing that makes models look realistic is the lighting. It's easy to capture a model which includes lighting and everything looks good. The problem with models like these is that you cannot move them and the lighting needs to match the original situation or they look weird. Looks like a really cool app by the way! There's nothing stopping you from using it and scanning a model to DAE and import it.

Another thing is that we have to consider technical details too. The original models have much higher textures but if we would use those there wouldn't be any memory left for the actual building :D

I asked and models from programs like catch123D are very inefficient so aside from texturing issues they have huge amounts of polygons. Maybe someone could try to load a model into Lumion and see how it looks.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on September 28, 2012, 10:45:10 am
123 catch is really great for scanning decorations and other props. :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on September 28, 2012, 10:49:17 am
While the enhancements of characters are great, it still looks fake and very gaming like. For gaming it's perfect, but for todays architectural stills and animation in this aggressive competing market, it's not up to par (yet). So, a humble suggestion( and maybe someone has suggested it already)  is to also include 2d photo realistic people, grey or black silhouette characters and translucent characters. Translucent trees would also ad a little bit more realism to the scene.  

Exterior of the new Rijksmuseum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIWRO91P60o#)


Looks like you are new to Lumion because nearly everything you mention is already included since version 1.0 :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on September 28, 2012, 11:23:26 am
Maybe you could put a subtle smile in their faces?

everybody have the same eyes the looks like aliens  }) :-D

Thanks for your feedback, guys. As I mentioned in a previous post, this is a sneak preview and the characters do not represent the final versions in Lumion 3.0, so you can expect things to improve.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: peterm on September 28, 2012, 01:01:08 pm
Well, lets hope in v3 we get past the point of having to rely on Lumion library characters for animation, and can import skinned and morphed character animations ourselves.  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: -GeoHow on September 28, 2012, 07:15:01 pm
Well, lets hope in v3 we get past the point of having to rely on Lumion library characters for animation, and can import skinned and morphed character animations ourselves.  :)


+1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: unit102 on September 29, 2012, 12:43:20 am
Well, lets hope in v3 we get past the point of having to rely on Lumion library characters for animation, and can import skinned and morphed character animations ourselves.  :)


+2
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 29, 2012, 03:08:38 am
blease let us see something about architecture in lumion 3.0 don´t try to be a assembler for modells. best modells that i need i can buy by dosch design or etc. with high resolution mesh and full interior or above google warehouse. we need an import to the lumion library, same for people from poser etc. or 123d catch. (import in the lumion library (model catalog) with the possibility to animate.
for the camera i wish me a tool to import camera lens parameters (nikkor, canon etc.) like y can do in lightroom or photoshop.

light without transmitted through walls and everything etc. and import of parametrics from the manufacturer.

in oktober i go back in my office on the seychells to work on new presentations for Khalifas family member. I wonder to know what i can offer.
thank you

greetings from seychells
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on September 29, 2012, 06:20:06 am
Well, lets hope in v3 we get past the point of having to rely on Lumion library characters for animation, and can import skinned and morphed character animations ourselves.  :)

3
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on September 29, 2012, 09:31:14 am
I disagree!   
We need models,  many different models.
So Lumion staff, please, keep adding new ones!
Highly appreciated!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 29, 2012, 10:41:20 am
thanks for the -2 reputation

ok with the models but in this quality and blease everything what you never need
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on September 29, 2012, 02:43:43 pm
ok i have now only 4 reputation maybe i earn -10 with this horrorshow
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on September 29, 2012, 04:55:10 pm
Its just that you are preaching to the converted. If it was easy it would be done. For now within the context of the average desktop Lumion is exploring most of the possibilities available for representing characters in a moving space. I often see Lumion people entourage that add good effect. But it is normally because the artist has taken time to explore their subtle use.

I can't represent anyone other than those doing architectural illustration. In this context there are many creative ways that the present character library can be used. I am a long time user and yet I am still discovering great examples of the subtle use of characters in Lumion. It is only fare to say that characters are never the focal point of my work, so in that respect my demand for animated characters is less than others here.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on October 01, 2012, 10:23:34 am
Dear Lumion

Why can't you just announce all the new features (not models!) of the new version 3.0?

Then we all can evaluate if we want to be early birds.

The update prices are no jokes, they are quite hefty, so you most have something never_seen_before_features stuk up in your sleeve.

Thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: thierry tutin on October 02, 2012, 10:53:14 am
For me i hope a better 3D translate engine specially from archicad to lumion
For effective and productive, I need a good bridge between archicad and lumion like Archicad with C4D
and now this lack makes me ask questions whether I can continue to work with lumion because I lost hugely time to translate the 3D models are often not very good results. And so often as I need to change the project, I often start from the beginning

and possibility to re-affect textures material on polygon, models directly in lumion
sorry Lumion Team, but for now, those I saw in the news not give me the means to 3.0 update
I really hope to see good news in the next time, with a dream to have road tools or better way to work with maps
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on October 02, 2012, 12:55:48 pm
Dear Lumion

Why can't you just announce all the new features (not models!) of the new version 3.0?

Then we all can evaluate if we want to be early birds.

The update prices are no jokes, they are quite hefty, so you most have something never_seen_before_features stuk up in your sleeve.

Thanks


+  :-9
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on October 02, 2012, 06:08:41 pm
i agree. it may be difficult sometimes but just takes a little artistic license and experimentation.

bob

Its just that you are preaching to the converted. If it was easy it would be done. For now within the context of the average desktop Lumion is exploring most of the possibilities available for representing characters in a moving space. I often see Lumion people entourage that add good effect. But it is normally because the artist has taken time to explore their subtle use.

I can't represent anyone other than those doing architectural illustration. In this context there are many creative ways that the present character library can be used. I am a long time user and yet I am still discovering great examples of the subtle use of characters in Lumion. It is only fare to say that characters are never the focal point of my work, so in that respect my demand for animated characters is less than others here.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 02, 2012, 08:11:07 pm
ok guys, i'm in and a proud fresh legal 3.0 pro user .......oh, i forgot, don't know, what it's all about......funny,

never had this before in my life, so please, surprise me!

regards stan :-)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on October 02, 2012, 08:19:33 pm
ok guys, i'm in and a proud fresh legal 3.0 pro user .......oh, i forgot, don't know, what it's all about......funny,

never had this before in my life, so please, surprise me!

regards stan :-)


You should have written PRO OWNER.........i guess you have plenty of cash to waste for buying this licence without even knowing if it's worth it.........
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 03, 2012, 11:15:03 am
You should have written PRO OWNER.........i guess you have plenty of cash to waste for buying this licence without even knowing if it's worth it.........

yes, you are right, in other topics i criticize that policy myself.
so i correct to FUTURE USER .

and the money? i have learned one thing -after a certain time it's nearly the same, if you buy updates continuously or wait and pay for a new licence after 2 years (with my cad i even save money by that).

so with lumion it's a proving : we will see, if it works. if so, i save some bucks, if not, i have learnt....

gards stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on October 03, 2012, 01:47:10 pm
ok lumion team... we're waiting for the next reveal... it's already a week ago we saw some new caracters... what's next?

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on October 03, 2012, 03:54:31 pm
Cats and dogs?  :+
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 03, 2012, 04:18:43 pm
Cats and dogs?  :+
Would be nice, currently there is only one cat.  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 03, 2012, 04:22:13 pm
Now if they could make them raining...that would be the best ;) :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 03, 2012, 04:26:00 pm
Now if they could make them raining...that would be the best ;) :D
You may use sky drop effect with the cat, I tried it works.  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 03, 2012, 04:30:15 pm
i get a new wackel dackel camera and for babe the camera salto mortale.

yes and gif import as texture for tv
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on October 03, 2012, 06:55:35 pm
i waited a whole weak for keyboard short cuts  >:( and simpler interface ?
i already know the interface is simpler now -.-
come onnnnnnn more features plzzzzz
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 03, 2012, 07:07:10 pm
i waited a whole weak for keyboard short cuts  >:( and simpler interface ?
i already know the interface is simpler now -.-
come onnnnnnn more features plzzzzz

I personally would rather they work on the software then the update blurbs.  I am sure they are all chained to their desk hammering away code to try to get this all completed.  It is like knowing what your gifts are before Christmas...would make the day less special if we knew everything.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on October 03, 2012, 07:11:35 pm
i waited a whole weak for keyboard short cuts  >:( and simpler interface ?
i already know the interface is simpler now -.-
come onnnnnnn more features plzzzzz

OK... awaiting some really new features, I am pleased to see some enhanced user interface stuff... but still...

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: 3D_Bard on October 03, 2012, 08:15:29 pm
You know, I can't purchase this update until I know more about it and so I wait. I wait until they give me enough information to make an informed decision. I wait patiently because I know they will give me the information when it is available. After all they want me to buy this product as much as I want to buy the product..maybe even more. It is difficult getting on the Forum everyday hoping to get enough new information that will finally allow me to pull the trigger and make the early bird purchase, but what is even more difficult than the waiting is having to read through all of the whiny "are we there yet?" impatient posts that are being posted. Give these guys a break for crying out loud, when they can give you more they will. Be patient.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 03, 2012, 08:26:53 pm
You know, I can't purchase this update until I know more about it and so I wait. I wait until they give me enough information to make an informed decision. I wait patiently because I know they will give me the information when it is available. After all they want me to buy this product as much as I want to buy the product..maybe even more. It is difficult getting on the Forum everyday hoping to get enough new information that will finally allow me to pull the trigger and make the early bird purchase, but what is even more difficult than the waiting is having to read through all of the whiny "are we there yet?" impatient posts that are being posted. Give these guys a break for crying out loud, when they can give you more they will. Be patient.

+1, well said.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 03, 2012, 08:31:31 pm
update

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 03, 2012, 08:33:09 pm
what´s that  the " license is floating in 3.0 which means you can work on your computer at home or in the office on a single license without having to deactivate or activate" i think its means only with internet conection.
sorry on seychells we don´t have permanent internet conection.
there is only satelit connection and often if the weather is bad with Thunderstorm or the hole chinese and indian people fon at the weakend to here home, there is no more internet.

now i deaktivate lumion here in germany and aktivate lumion on the workstation (mainboard an ssd) which y take by plain to my office on the seychells.

blease i need this information how it´s work
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 03, 2012, 08:37:40 pm
Still no option to see exact numerical values of settings and to type in values.  :-\

"The new photo mode now also allows you to apply plug-ins just like movie mode"
Thumbs up. Currently I use the movie mode to set cameras for stills precisely because of this limitation.

"You can now mute editor sound output"
?????  ??? The editor never had any sounds, did it?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 03, 2012, 08:40:35 pm
Lumion will have audio?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 03, 2012, 08:43:23 pm
They're leaking details!
It would be cool if it's 5.1 surround sound based on the position of the sound object.  :-D If it's just stereo, well, color me unimpressed, as that's something easily placed on your video editor.

My sound object wishlist:
-Water splashing
-People having fun (laughter)
-People chatting
-Birds
-Cars
-Ocean
-Wind
 8)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 03, 2012, 08:50:27 pm
Exactly what i thought when i saw this...
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 03, 2012, 08:52:04 pm
This is great ... :-D :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 03, 2012, 08:53:21 pm
 :-o  :+ :-o there is nothing change with the lights an reflektions and also nothing with the editor quality only face lifting everywhere sorry :-D i don´t need



Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 03, 2012, 09:01:02 pm
Does not mean it will make it into the program..the shots they are giving us are just what they are working on.  I would not promise or guarantee that this is in there just yet, and i am sure they will not at this point.  Would be pretty cool if it makes it into the release. :o :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on October 03, 2012, 09:09:32 pm
Lumion will have audio?
Maybe you can place sounds in the form of spherical spaces. If the camera penetrates the zone defined by a sound sphere the chosen sound will play. ;)
this must be great
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 03, 2012, 09:20:58 pm
arch_bd, what's that software in your screenshot?

BTW, about the floating license... Sounds like a very good idea, but unfortunately my Internet tends to fail exactly when I need it the most.  |:(  And it's FTTH, the very best available here.

About the "Auto" mode in movie export, my guess is the defaults are:
29.97fps
three-star quality
1280x720
No additional exports
Frame range off

Still no AVI output.  :-\
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on October 03, 2012, 09:31:40 pm
:-o  :+ :-o there is nothing change with the lights an reflektions and also nothing with the editor quality only face lifting everywhere sorry :-D i don´t need
There are still about 4 weeks until the final product, so let us watch forward.
I believe that reflection will be the cherry on the cake ;) I think that Lumion will correct reflections calculated for water, mirrors or smooth tiled surfaces... so im crossing fingers that this will be the next updated new feature secret ;)
thank you Team for this great product
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: cpercer on October 03, 2012, 09:36:41 pm
Exactly what i thought when i saw this...

My guess is that this turns off the camera noise in the movie editor.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 03, 2012, 09:55:59 pm
you don´t really mean that. camera noise from the ultrasonic sound of the zoom lens. cool :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on October 03, 2012, 09:57:07 pm
lol  :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on October 03, 2012, 10:52:49 pm
Dig the more intuitive keyboard cuts!!

I'm glad the interface was optimized as well. I have faith that this issue will be worth it. Not sure if all of our must haves and wish list items will make it but I really look fwd to trying this out on a cool project the minute it drops.

Bob
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: peterm on October 04, 2012, 12:43:28 am
Appreciate the work in fine tuning the interface.  However, I'm not sure users are going to spend time doing mouseovers of the keyboard shortcuts (that further clutter the screen), just to find out which is the one they might need to use.

Keyboard shortcuts are a simple learning task, that once learnt does not need any other sort of assistance, its in high-speed recall memory.  ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on October 04, 2012, 01:59:39 am
Quote
Keyboard shortcuts are a simple learning task, that once learnt does not need any other sort of assistance, its in high-speed recall memory.

This is true but you are not a good example... ;)...what I mean is there are many people, in fact the majority have a disipline problem and refuse to take the time to lock it in memory....so this is great for them(me)..lol. :-D
It forces keys into memory.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 06:43:58 am
how it works, the new floating lumion 3.0 lisence   on notebook without internet or network connection???

i a have many workstation with blockt internet access it is nessasary of security. only one with access without permanet intranet connection there is isolate and not the workstation with lumion.
germany with highspeed dsl, but on my place i get only 364k/bits overall and there is no handy connection too. i´t the price if you live in the middle of forest in the countrysite

on island is also not possible to get internet access for the workstation i tryed but the office is more than 500 meters from the home internet and between is only rainforest and big rocks the bats bits the kabels everytime and wlan ist to far to get access.

maybe the usb-dongle must be back again

 


Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on October 04, 2012, 06:50:54 am
I'm willing to put some light lumion an ability to start the night light will automatically turn on the stage. Start the day with the light off.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on October 04, 2012, 08:35:13 am
CUSTOM Great word and great implementation. Thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on October 04, 2012, 11:57:40 am
There is a sound icon on lumion tool palate new features. However, Lumion team has not given details on whether this is a new feature, other than saying "you can now mute lumion sound in the editor". Which sound can you mute? The camera click?

http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shortcuts.jpg (http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shortcuts.jpg)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 04, 2012, 02:07:17 pm
There is a sound icon on lumion tool palate new features. However, Lumion team has not given details on whether this is a new feature, other than saying "you can now mute lumion sound in the editor". Which sound can you mute? The camera click?

http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shortcuts.jpg (http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shortcuts.jpg)

Yes the mute option is for the camera click and we want to have more sounds in the editor. Think about things like placing a new item on the ground. The sound is designed to give extra feedback but you can turn it off in case you find it annoying.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 04, 2012, 02:51:49 pm
how it works, the new floating lumion 3.0 lisence   on notebook without internet or network connection???

Lumion 3.0 activation/de-activation will be fully automatic and offers floating licenses. Use of Lumion 3.0 requires an internet connection. More details will follow later.

The dongle will never come back.

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 03:03:09 pm
ok than you can kick lumion if it´s permanently use internet.  we don´t have internet permanently??? ??? ??? not in germany and not in seychells and also sometimes i work in south afrikas karoo

or its that same as now, by deaktivat /aktivat ???? only change to automatic??? can i automatic aktivate on notebook in germany and than travel and work in the antarctic ???? ???

it would be really cool if y can aktivate my systems in ushuia-argentina without to deaktivate before my systems in afrika
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on October 04, 2012, 03:14:08 pm
Lumion 3.0 activation/de-activation will be fully automatic and offers floating licenses. Use of Lumion 3.0 requires an internet connection.

I think an internet connection is only necessary when you start up Lumion so it can verify the user's license with the Lumion license server. After that the internet connection has no use.

Or am I wrong?

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 04, 2012, 03:30:42 pm
You need internet if you want to start Lumion. It is possible to obtain an emergency code to start Lumion if your connection is down for a longer time, but it will start Lumion only once.

If you don't have decent internet access in your working environment, you should not buy Lumion 3.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 04, 2012, 03:37:25 pm
What happens if the connection tends to come and go while you're working?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 04, 2012, 03:45:21 pm
What happens if the connection tends to come and go while you're working?

Nothing
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on October 04, 2012, 03:48:50 pm
You need internet if you want to start Lumion. It is possible to obtain an emergency code to start Lumion if your connection is down for a longer time, but it will start Lumion only once.

If you don't have decent internet access in your working environment, you should no buy Lumion 3.

What you are basically saying is that each time you launch a lumion session, you need internet connection to verify the licence. You can disconnect internet after verification and continue working in that session. When you close lumion, you will need internet connection to launch the next session. Am I correct?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 03:49:45 pm
is there a checking on every starts of lumion 3 ???
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 04, 2012, 03:59:28 pm
What you are basically saying is that each time you launch a lumion session, you need internet connection to verify the licence. You can disconnect internet after verification and continue working in that session. When you close lumion, you will need internet connection to launch the next session. Am I correct?

Yes that is correct. There are some major differences with Lumion 2:
- no need to activate with username/password or domain system
- fully floating
- internet connection needed when starting and ending (to make license available to others or a different machine)
- no grace (like in Lumion 1 and 2) when the internet connection is not available upon startup
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on October 04, 2012, 04:00:57 pm
not to change the subject, but WOW, ilwedritschel, you are a man on the go!
sounds like you travel to some exotic places.

Where is the jealous emoticon?

bob


ok than you can kick lumion if it´s permanently use internet.  we don´t have internet permanently??? ??? ??? not in germany and not in seychells and also sometimes i work in south afrikas karoo

or its that same as now, by deaktivat /aktivat ???? only change to automatic??? can i automatic aktivate on notebook in germany and than travel and work in the antarctic ???? ???

it would be really cool if y can aktivate my systems in ushuia-argentina without to deaktivate before my systems in afrika
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 04:08:10 pm
it´s right for early bird buyers the don´t have internet flat or decent access the can´t use 
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 04, 2012, 04:15:40 pm
- internet connection needed when starting and ending (to make license available to others or a different machine)

Sometimes there's a blackout while my PC is working. Or Lumion crashes and I must close it. Or the Internet is down when I close Lumion. When this happens, have I lost my license?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 04:22:05 pm
hi christman, yes i am allways everywhere in the world. my wife is a jornalistin and interpreter in english, rusian, italien, spainish und france for dow jones news wire we are traveling for bussiness.
sorry my english is horribel wy i don´use it. my wife say allways it better to be quiet and make the pictures. im an photographer and architect.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 04, 2012, 04:47:14 pm
When this happens, have I lost my license?
No, it will resume the activation from crashes or system failure next time you start.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on October 04, 2012, 05:14:40 pm
Well, this will be more practical to move from one computer to another. It is sufficient to stop Lumion on a PC and start on the other PC. Well on I have the chance to live in a country where the computers are not aware that it is the crisis everywhere.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 04, 2012, 05:24:02 pm
Sounds practical, actually. This way you could be hired on a temporary contract by a company and bring your Lumion with you. Let's see how it works in the real world.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 08:49:59 pm
ok i´ám ready for the shortcats with the cyborg rat
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 04, 2012, 09:10:17 pm
Wow, this mouse is the time! :o
In Brazil it costs US$ 400 ~ 500  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 04, 2012, 09:13:28 pm
Wow, this mouse is the time! :o
In Brazil it costs US$ 400 ~ 500  :'( :'(

Gilson, can get this in the US 4 $80...ill send it to you for $200 ;) :D  Half price.... :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 04, 2012, 09:21:04 pm
I want! :-D
I'll look for a site for international import
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 04, 2012, 09:35:21 pm
if the key with the rats not enough i will take the strike
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 04, 2012, 09:43:23 pm
Wow :o
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 04, 2012, 09:53:41 pm
ok, saw the news, so please give me more info about the plugins, are they the same quality as the build mode of 2.5 (clouds) or (hopefully not) only the reduced onec from the moviesection.

but if i have to switch to a menue to get more functions for clouds , for example, then it is NOT an improvement.

So show us some screenshots of how this workflow is.

and: can i define shortcuts myself?

thanx stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on October 05, 2012, 06:00:04 am
Official Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Product Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT3Uno3SLdI#ws)

S.T.R.I.K.E. 7 Keyboard Release Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AbwJON7ECk#ws)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 05, 2012, 08:07:34 am
Yes that is correct. There are some major differences with Lumion 2:
- no need to activate with username/password or domain system
- fully floating
- internet connection needed when starting and ending (to make license available to others or a different machine)
- no grace (like in Lumion 1 and 2) when the internet connection is not available upon startup

I will repeat my question again: will we still be able to use Lumion 1 and 2?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 05, 2012, 08:45:26 pm
"........This makes it easy to create variations of different settings and it is even possible to copy settings between the two modes........"

so can we

SAVE AND RELOAD THEM FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT? MEANS TO A VIEW-LIST-FILE?

CAN WE SAVE AN ENDLESS LIST OF TOTAL-RECALL-Views ?

hopefully the limitatn to 10 vies is history.....

TRUSTING YOU I ALREADY BOUGHT THE 3.0, so make me happy.....

stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Lech Switala on October 06, 2012, 01:25:43 pm
Dear Lumion

Why can't you just announce all the new features (not models!) of the new version 3.0?

Then we all can evaluate if we want to be early birds.

The update prices are no jokes, they are quite hefty, so you most have something never_seen_before_features stuk up in your sleeve.

Thanks

same here! for that money I will not buy a cat in a sack.  Show us that cat.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on October 06, 2012, 02:15:28 pm
No new " Please check back in a few days/later this week text" on the blog post.

Maybe thats all with the features?!
A bit like iphone5. Evolution and not revolution.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: peterm on October 07, 2012, 11:23:42 am
Version 2 was a big (BIG) leap compared to version 1, so could/should we expect a similar leap for version 3?

There's certainly been plenty asked for.
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Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 07, 2012, 02:48:24 pm
yes, for half of the price
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on October 08, 2012, 02:03:02 am
yes, for half of the price

+100000000000000
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sahrudin on October 08, 2012, 02:20:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWKNAU7jN8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWKNAU7jN8&feature=player_embedded#)!
for me what make lumion perfect, traffic simulation, reflections, grass, night lighting for town... ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: f8sf on October 08, 2012, 11:20:56 am
So far, nothing special..  :(

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aliki_N on October 08, 2012, 12:05:10 pm
No new " Please check back in a few days/later this week text" on the blog post.

Maybe thats all with the features?!
A bit like iphone5. Evolution and not revolution.

There has at least been one revelation per week. With 3 weeks to go there will at least be 3 more new features to be revealed which will either be 1.improved and easier user interface, or 2.new plant or furniture objects and, 3. additional special effects libraries. I am beginning to wonder as to whether we will have any new features on the much asked for reflections and terrain modelling tools. I do not think Act 3d would have deliberately left the best for last. That wouldn't be good for business. I think everyone would by now caught an early bird if that which is highly sought out for was revealed.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: MrWip on October 08, 2012, 12:48:21 pm
You need internet if you want to start Lumion. It is possible to obtain an emergency code to start Lumion if your connection is down for a longer time, but it will start Lumion only once.

If you don't have decent internet access in your working environment, you should not buy Lumion 3.

So, it means that there will be no way to work on a laptop, at a client place (if you don't have access to his wifi, which is often the case, if he got one... ).

It's really sad, because one of the main interest of the product is to be able to show live changes, to work on site, or in a train... and wireless internet is far from being everywhere.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 08, 2012, 02:42:09 pm
yes, i think so (If you don't have decent internet access in your working environment, you should not buy Lumion 3) you can no more work on airplan or train maybe you can catch one open wirelees start lumion 3 before you jump in the airplain.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 08, 2012, 03:01:17 pm
I’d be happy to part with 3K euros for lumion 3.0 pro, but I need more functionality – not an even easier interface (why – a child can use it already...) effects tweaks and yet more stock objects.
As a 3d professional I need a better interface (more like the pro 3d tools I use already eg 3dsmax) – an interface with multiple cameras, visible toolsets and type-in parameters.
Even more than a professional interface I need a single, multichannel timeline with keyframe and curve editing in build mode.
Even more than a professional timeline I need to be able to import skinned/ morphing/ vertex animations so I can populate lumion with custom animated characters, animals and soft-body animations.
Finally, as a 3d pro, I’d like some real 3d output, ideally object export but standalone exe would be a start – not just save scene for interactive viewing in free lumion (now that doesn’t look good to clients…).
Meanwhile the developers at lumion are tweaking the interface, effects and adding more stock objects – and unfortunately I'm becoming less likely to buy it. Lumion is a great visualization app, with a fast renderer – I just wish it could be opened-up beyond basic archviz and simplistic animation. And I’m sure I’m not alone. As a 3d modeller/ animator for twenty years I continue to wait for a fast-rendering, truly real time scene building/ visualization app in which I can use all of my 3d output – not just architecture but character animations, simulations etc. I live in hope.
Lumion developers, please take note – I’d happily buy the application – but I’m a pro 3d modeller and animator – and I need more functionality to justify the license fee.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: SEVERINO on October 08, 2012, 03:51:15 pm
Hi Lumion team, tell them that I have always appreciated your software, the characteristics that define (simple and fast), Last month I bought the new license Lumion (Lumion 3 Pro), but I must tell you should take note of all users of this forum and specifically the reviews of the progress of this new version.
I agree with many of the comments made here, summarized in: the vast majority of USERS ARE EXPECTING NEW and breakthroughs in the field of ideas, new tools for terrain modeling and in regard to animations least necessary adjustments so that people do not float when they walk, the more gently rotate vehicles, etc.. I've called them several times these points, but I think with the new version of Lumion continue without these points improved.
I can assure you that this software is reaching a significant enough cost to begin presenting its developers new things of some importance, otherwise it was a very good initial idea may be trapped in the drawer of memories. I hope that the translation does not perceive a defeatist tone, as my intention is absolutely positive, but my father always told me the truth always find the truth.

Best regards,
Severino.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on October 08, 2012, 05:23:48 pm
Dear Lumion team



are you stop update secret in lumion 3 ?



please update any of architectural facilities.


example :


materials like evermotion company for vray


Automatic lighting at night


Glass reflections


Grass


import all model of animation to lumion


gizmo show in objects



beter animation controls



Parallel view in lumion



any character models from other world   arabic - asia - american and more



and input Numbers  to sun position and materials Not just with the mouse  .


Thanks lumion team







Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on October 08, 2012, 10:55:09 pm
What pisses me off it why Lumion team don't come out and write us exactly what it's going to be, at least we i won't be that angry disapointed that there's no real reflection and that there won't be any GI on the 3.0 version.

Right now, at this exact moment........from what i know, i'm not spending about 800$ cad for this update.......................
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 09, 2012, 03:57:15 am
for the news weblog ( is it still one or can i delete the tab in the browser?)

could you please implement high res pictures (eadh single) for the comparison between 2.5 & 3.0 ?

especially the cloud - pictures with the horizon could show the improvment much better in hires.

thanx.

+ more examples with different cloud settings and without fog, since the horizon in 2.5 really is e mess .....
thanx stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: woochou on October 09, 2012, 09:12:06 am


I agree with that and i would like to save my files anywhere on my computer








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Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: IP_jeanlo on October 09, 2012, 11:10:04 am
hello,

A few weeks ago you gave me confirmed the reduction until 31 October, and I thank you.

for lumion 3.0. is there going to be a complete list of new features, objects, people etc. ...... before October 31?

for example: you announced new peoples (is what we have in the list of peoples image before October 31?)

I hope you can understand that for some people like me can not put € 830 TTC without all the information.

I hope that the list will not come out after October 31,
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 09, 2012, 03:47:11 pm
for me it´s 1399,-€ + 295,81 € tax =1664,91€ and in oktober it´s a bad month because the german finance office will money also.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 09, 2012, 07:07:19 pm
Just to follow up my original post about a lumion 3.0 for 3d professionals, I attach a mockup of the kind of interface which would appeal to experienced 3d users (but which no doubt could still have the ease of use of the existing program). The main features are:

•   Top menu bar with access to all tools/ functions from drop-downs.
•   Traditional interface with multiple camera views and resizable windows.
•   Side panel with access to tools and parameters using sliders and type-ins.
•   Multichannel keyframe editor in build mode.

The screenshots for this mockup were taken using the existing lumion free version:
hence the logo on all views – I don’t want to upset the developers – I’m actually very much trying to encourage the folks at lumion to produce a better application so I can give them lots of money  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 09, 2012, 07:41:55 pm
Act-3D, please hire this guy.  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on October 10, 2012, 02:22:50 pm
lol...you just removed 40% of my real estate.....give it back please! :-D

I was hoping for something more analogue than yours....


Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 10, 2012, 03:55:02 pm
Hi Modelhead, regarding the professional lumion mockup: no screen real estate is removed at all: every professional 3d application I’ve used, from modellers to game engines (except lumion…) has multiple views and toolbars/ timelines which can be resized and repositioned, docked, hidden, made visible - whatever.
Also the individual views in regular 3d applications can be maximized (eg expert mode in 3dsmax) – so screen real estate is, and should be - completely flexible in a pro 3d application. But this is rather overlooking the advantage of multiple views – cross referencing, which speeds workflow.
Imagine being able to keyframe the camera by moving/ rotating it as an object in one view whilst seeing that camera view in another. Imagine being able to position all objects quickly and precisely without having to constantly navigate the existing single view and repeatedly tweak the object position from the new reference point. These – and a whole host of other reasons – are why the likes of max, maya, softimage, houdini, lightwave, modo, cinema 4d,  and every other professional modelling/ animation application (except lumion...) has multiple views.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 10, 2012, 04:51:21 pm
Really? Only 3D clouds as a major change until now? Then why not 2.6? What is the reason for a new version number, is it new year?

Please give me a reason and I am ready to upgrade.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on October 10, 2012, 08:41:12 pm
Quote
Also the individual views in regular 3d applications can be maximized (eg expert mode in 3dsmax)

If you go into expert mode you have something like Lumion is now. Minimalistic interface. I never was a big fan of the Lumion interface in terms how it handles certain stuff but what it does very well is offering a very large part of the viewport for actual "viewing" and not cluttering it up with toolbars. :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 10, 2012, 10:03:16 pm
Of course, what Lumion does very well is viewing, since it has just one full-screen viewport.

Personally I’d prefer the conventional option of multiple, configurable views (as well as full screen) and at least some movement toward the features I described in my previous posts ie a more professional application.

As it stands, and as it looks like it’s going to remain – Lumion is an astonishingly expensive model viewer and renderer for a library of stock objects, with some procedural environment modelling and restricted (static and basic transform-animated) model import.

Again, I only wish that lumion pro was developing into an application for real 3d professionals like myself  – if it did (or even appeared to be), I’d be happy to buy it – but as it stands, the application does not promise enough functionality.   |:(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: thierry tutin on October 10, 2012, 10:05:38 pm
you're right sirsasana
unless i have new projects, I'm not going to update to version 3. The previous update in early year had cost me 700euros for just two characters and some not very useful effects. I have not really enjoyed.
 in my opinion, new easier interface is not in agreement with pro  3D software cost more than 3000euros
i love lumion, but since pro version i'm very disapointed of the future of lumion
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: thierry tutin on October 10, 2012, 10:09:23 pm
for new interface Act-3D, please hire sirsasana
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 10, 2012, 10:50:25 pm
Personally I’d prefer the conventional option


conventional  is never ......................ORIGINAL


(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2010/04/007logo250.jpg)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 10, 2012, 11:06:11 pm
Thanks for that Babe  :)

I guess I should have the word ‘professional’ (again…) rather than ‘conventional’. Though I’m not sure what the issue is: maybe a single viewport is somehow original (is it?).

All I know with 20 years of modelling and animating experience is that multiple, configurable views – as well as full screen - provides a much more flexible and efficient workflow and is indeed the norm in professional 3d applications (and for good reason).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 10, 2012, 11:18:47 pm
   SUPERB    ADDITIONAL CONTENT   

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)


Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gilson Antunes on October 10, 2012, 11:29:12 pm
Very good ... likeable trees. Includes Araucaria.  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 11, 2012, 01:12:50 am
Thanks for that Babe  :)
 Though I’m not sure what the issue is:
 maybe a single viewport is somehow original (is it?)
.

What is better ?.........................................an Apple or an Orange ?

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=i.4607087615149904&pid=15.1)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: IP_jeanlo on October 11, 2012, 01:51:46 am
when you say "Take a look at some of the new content in Lumion 3.0" .....

this represents how much in percentage (%)?

Video represents 40/50/60/70/80% of the new library  ??? ?

I need to know before October 31 to get an idea of this update.

otherwise nice video with new trees and vines
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on October 11, 2012, 02:46:07 am
Quote
every professional 3d application I’ve used, from modellers to game engines (except lumion…) has multiple views and toolbars/ timelines which can be resized and repositioned, docked, hidden, made visible - whatever.

There is no need for you to use Lumion then....you've described it, everything you need, you already have it.....your ideas are sound and pragmatic.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 11, 2012, 03:17:10 am
Babe - I’ve simply tried to make some constructive suggestions in the hope that ACT-3D might improve lumion: because I would like to buy it, but it’s currently too limited in functionality for me to be able to justify the cost.

I haven’t meant to offend or upset anyone at Act-3D or on this forum: I don’t see how I could have by simply giving an experienced 3d professional’s perspective – so I’m really not sure what your issue is, and if you do have an issue – why not explain it clearly?

Babe, I won’t respond to any further cryptic comments: though if you’d like to make a clear statement, I’ll be happy to engage in dialogue with you.

Anyway, back to lumion – as expected, yet more stock objects – no sign of any improved functionality. As ever, I continue to live in hope, and my 3K euros stays in the bank….

Modelhead, thanks for your response – though I refer you to my very first post, which stated quite clearly why I’d really like to buy lumion:
 
“Lumion is a great visualization app, with a fast renderer – I just wish it could be opened-up beyond basic archviz and simplistic animation. And I’m sure I’m not alone. As a 3d modeller/ animator for twenty years I continue to wait for a fast-rendering, truly real time scene building/ visualization app in which I can use all of my 3d output – not just architecture but character animations, simulations etc. I live in hope.”

- you see, what ACT-3D are missing is an enormous gap in the market, which – if they addressed the functional limitations, would make lumion probably the best/ fastest output/ render solution for 3d content creators worldwide. I know, since I seem to spend half my life
rendering and re-rendering stuff which lumion currently can’t import. I know just how fast lumion renders, and I also know how good its realtime engine is compared to the realtime displays of standard apps like max and maya (and their realtime and gpu rendering plugins).
I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to see an application of such quality and potential as lumion
remaining as limited as it is, when my god, the thing could be flying….
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on October 11, 2012, 05:56:22 am
sirsasana has a really good point. we should just keep waiting for lumion to keep improving :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on October 11, 2012, 07:14:23 am
:-D that good! more models, although deboconfesar not surprise me much, I think we all have a custom library of models for Lumion, anyway always welcome: D, I really hope primarily with a yearning for Lumion 3.0 is a good reflector, thereby Estarinum more than satisfied! clear and to lower the price: D is very expensive (for which we first started in the world of 3D, and paradoxically the Lumion because of its simplicity, this led to us: D  ::), Lumion team does a great job, thanks to it have generated great expectations, hopefully the meet! greetings!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 11, 2012, 10:30:08 am
why all speak about to use lumion only of one monitor. i can use 4 monitors, the toolbars can work on the one monitor and the view on the next etc.  but it´s not possible to move only the toolbars from 1 to another monitor.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: stucki on October 11, 2012, 11:05:53 am
multi monitor support would be really awesome.

i think most people working in visualisation/grafik busisness have min 2 monitors....

+1 for me

stucki
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 11, 2012, 11:28:22 am
this represents how much in percentage (%)?

Video represents 40/50/60/70/80% of the new library  ??? ?

About 95% (although the new 3D people are obviously not in this video).

In addition, there are some models that were not included in the video as they were still being created or fixed by our subcontractors.

Among others I can mention more ships, some more sports venues, Michael Betke's awesome Rocks HD (from his Pure3D shop) and even more lovely trees by Aaron :)

Please note that these images do not represent the final models.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 11, 2012, 11:35:24 am
Babe -
I haven’t meant to offend or upset anyone at Act-3D or on this forum:



Hi Sirsasana .

you haven't offended me at all..................
it could be , your struggling to ADAPT to an unconventional concept.
3DMAX wil not give you what Lumion can................but it will give you conventionality .

Some big film company's create there own programs, that are totally unconventional.


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o1ZTkREud00/TH-BDoXd8jI/AAAAAAAAAJM/_NpjQ2CMHOw/s1600/t-rex-jurassic-park.jpg)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 11, 2012, 12:07:21 pm


are those LEAVES on the floor ?

(http://lumion3d.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6022.0;attach=14609;image)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on October 11, 2012, 12:15:27 pm
Really love the new trees.

What a good improvement would be is the asset browser in lumion. there are so many trees and models now that its easy to lost the overview. especially the small thumbs for vegetation which is basically a 5-10m tree squeezed on 80px.
I end up placing lots of trees to see how they actually look and this costs time.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on October 11, 2012, 12:42:39 pm
Good looking trees. 
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on October 11, 2012, 01:57:08 pm
These trees are adorable, great performance
thank U Staff
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 11, 2012, 02:20:25 pm
Awesome new content. Vegetation looks also great!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 11, 2012, 02:22:05 pm
Awesome new content. Vegetation looks also great!

...the question is , when we will we get the dinosaur in Babe's post  ;) :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 11, 2012, 02:27:47 pm
True, hopefully some time in 2013!?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 11, 2012, 03:05:54 pm
Hi Babe – I’m glad you’re not offended, and glad you’re happy with lumion as it is:

A simple viewer/ renderer with an ever-increasing stock model library, very limited object import and some procedural environment modelling - which of course is very good, it’s just I maintain that the whole program could be so much better, and that it should be much better for such a big license fee.

You say I’m struggling to adapt to an unconventional concept. I’m afraid I have to disagree (though I won’t disagree in capitals since I don’t want to shout) -  yes, I’ve used conventional/ professional software for a long time (eg max and pretty much every other 3d software on various projects over the years) to produce broadcast and interactive content, I’ve also been on the content and design side of 3d software and games development. What you believe is an unconventional concept (lumion) is, to a 3d pro – an amazingly underdeveloped missed opportunity (for reasons I’ve already stated – please see my last post).

Unfortunatley that missed opportunity (lack of lumion improvement in functionality) continues to translate to one less license fee from me. I only wish this wasn’t the case  |:(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 11, 2012, 04:15:20 pm
Hi Babe – I’m glad you’re not offended, and glad you’re happy with lumion as it is:

A simple viewer/ renderer with an ever-increasing stock model library, very limited object import and some procedural environment modelling - which of course is very good, it’s just I maintain that the whole program could be so much better, and that it should be much better for such a big license fee.

You say I’m struggling to adapt to an unconventional concept. I’m afraid I have to disagree (though I won’t disagree in capitals since I don’t want to shout) -  yes, I’ve used conventional/ professional software for a long time (eg max and pretty much every other 3d software on various projects over the years) to produce broadcast and interactive content, I’ve also been on the content and design side of 3d software and games development. What you believe is an unconventional concept (lumion) is, to a 3d pro – an amazingly underdeveloped missed opportunity (for reasons I’ve already stated – please see my last post).

Unfortunatley that missed opportunity (lack of lumion improvement in functionality) continues to translate to one less license fee from me. I only wish this wasn’t the case  |:(

It's our choice to specialize for architecture visuallization and keep things simple. Ofcourse we could start adding many of the features you describe but we set a limit for ourselves and focus on one thing.

We are like a pizza restaurant that could also start selling hamburgers. It's possible but then it would not be a pizza restaurant, right? We are producing software for very specific users - architects. Although other people can use Lumion we choose to remain focussed in one area.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 11, 2012, 04:43:50 pm
Hi Remko – I understand and appreciate your comments – and of course it’s your choice as developers to specialize in a product for architectural visualization. However, you also advertise lumion for product demonstration and I’m sure you know even better than I do that lumion has greater potential both in and beyond your existing chosen specialization (architecture).
For example, my work includes architectural as well as character content (and a lot more), and I see that lumion includes vertex animations (animated characters, flags etc etc) in the library, and I also see from the forums that users have been asking for this import functionality for a long time. If lumion simply included this feature (regardless of my other quite basic suggestions to improve the application) – I would happily buy it. But since the development seems to be focussed on supplying more stock content and continuing to limit user import, I can’t justify spending the large the license fee – much as I’d like to.
I do fully understand and respect ACT-3D’s choice to keep lumion as a niche visualization/ render solution for architects (and product demonstrations…), but the additional functionality I (and many others) have requested is not necessarily asking for hamburgers: in the first place it’s asking for better pizzas.

PS Ecuadorian: your analogy is much better than mine  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 11, 2012, 04:53:52 pm
Sorry, I deleted my post. Here's my metaphor again:

"The features we've seen so far are like a pizza restaurant that is starting to focus on a few pre-made pizzas for kids instead of letting adult customers assemble their own pizzas as they please."
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Truls on October 11, 2012, 04:59:56 pm
basically people buying Lumion say the 2 major things that made them purchase was:
1) the super fast render times and easy to make walk-through animations
2) Easy to use the software, fast to learn

With the belief that people (architects) could choose between a software with many options, where everything could be edited with more buttons, or a software that limits the amount of choices to what makes sure you experience minimum "failure" and maximize user friendliness. After all being happy with something depends on how often you use it and on the feeling that you can handle it properly or even master it.

Lumion is all about enabling architects that before did not visualize themselves, or rarely did, and bringing life to even small projects. But at the same time be so competitive in technology and functions, that also experienced high end users see the value in all Lumion has to offer.

For instance, Ronen Bekerman (www.ronenbekerman.com (http://www.ronenbekerman.com)) held a one hour Lumion presentation to 150 CG artists with long experience in arch viz, last weekend in Venize. The respond to how to use Lumion in early stage visualization (and ofc the render times,) demonstrated that Lumion would be making them money all the way. Easier to plan photo realistic orders, easier to keep a constructive dialogue with the client all the way by giving examples in Lumion.

No software can be perfect for all, but Lumion is well suited for many user groups.

With the monthly growth of new users, it seems we are on the right track.

Thanks for all the interest and comments so far, keep em coming :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 11, 2012, 05:13:12 pm
Sorry, I deleted my post. Here's my metaphor again:

"The features we've seen so far are like a pizza restaurant that is starting to focus on a few pre-made pizzas for kids instead of letting adult customers assemble their own pizzas as they please."

Talking about food:

When I go to a local snack-bar I can order a "frikandel flip met uien", which is a meat-stick (god knows what animal) with peanut-sauce, mayonaise and raw onion. I can by the way also ask to add joppie sauce, curry or ketchup, or put it on a small sandwich. Very popular in Holland! All other people in the world would instantly puke and never buy something nasty like that.

Much more exciting than a McDonalds hamburger and very customizable. Ideal for the 'hardcore' snack-eater. But compared to a Big Mac, very unsuccessful... And maybe that is because McDonalds thought very well of their product and their market.



Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 11, 2012, 05:32:04 pm
Thanks Truls and Arthur, from your posts I guess lumion will remain the same in terms of functionality – so:

The object libraries will continue to grow, the effects will be tweaked, the interface will become easy enough for a two year old (maybe eventually an embryo?)

Lumion will continue to create great but limited eye-candy from stock objects and you can keep on importing static objects and objects with simple transform-based animation – but there’ll be no real improvements in functionality.

If this is the case, your target customer base of architects who’ve never used 3d software before will be no doubt be pleased. Unfortunately you’re in the process of losing me as a potential customer, but I guess you don’t mind because your software wasn’t – and isn’t being developed for people like me (existing 3d professionals).

I’ll stop now, and give up my hope for a better lumion for the time being. If you exhaust your market of newbie 3d architects and decide to improve the functionality of lumion, please let me know (you’ve got my email address). I say again, I’d be happy to buy the application – even at its extraordinary price – only I really can’t justify it with the current limitations.

All the best and good luck with the development of your Big Mac. Such a shame - and I’m a vegetarian  :-r
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 11, 2012, 05:45:09 pm
yes, i´m too. that´s not the value for an update to 3.0 about 1399,- €
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on October 11, 2012, 06:22:35 pm
Why can't Lumion team tell us exactly what's the 3.0 will be..........All you're doing while we're speculating on what could be, what would be.....bla bla bla.......is anger rising.

Tell us today, at least from now, we will or will not keep our money safe from the "BIG" come out.  Only 2 weeks left and still nothing to convince me and many, many, many more other users.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Holger Neuhauser on October 11, 2012, 06:47:52 pm
Beeing a 3D artist, working mostly not in arch viz, I can only subscribe to sirsasana´s point of view.

Unfortunately I think I´ll have to quit investing further on in lumion.
I was an early adopter beeing extremely excited about what I hoped to be able to do with lumion for visual effects work. Quick and good water plates, landscape extensions, etc.
Basically I hoped it would turn out as a "vue désprit" software package which isn´t absolutely perfect in terms of picture quality but very fast.

I would really stick with lumion if I´d only knew if there will be a camera import/export feature.
There was talk about a plugin that might do this long ago, but this idea seems to have vanished.
I´m missing a bit more transparency about a future road map.
But judging act3d´s comments I think Ihave to forget about that.
Regards
Holger
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacobs Architekten on October 11, 2012, 08:28:46 pm
Why can't Lumion team tell us exactly what's the 3.0 will be..........All you're doing while we're speculating on what could be, what would be.....bla bla bla.......is anger rising.

Tell us today, at least from now, we will or will not keep our money safe from the "BIG" come out.  Only 2 weeks left and still nothing to convince me and many, many, many more other users.

What I understood from an earlier post, Act-3D is still in the developing phase of v.3.0. So while we're waiting they are busy programming and finetuning.

J-P.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 12, 2012, 04:51:49 pm
sorry. to the new contens i think is important to inform user about that

Since Lumion Design does not (cannot) know how the buyer will use/change the 3D models/objects of trademarked products, we advise the buyer/user of 3D:  models/objects to contact the manufacturer (DaimlerChrysler, VW, Boing , Air France etc.) prior (!) to the publication of the 3D-designs, and verify that the -intended- final design product is in compliance with the legal use of the protected image/trademark.

or lumion give it universal free to use for all????
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 12, 2012, 05:03:42 pm
sorry. to the new contens i think is importent to inform user about that

Since Lumion Design does not (cannot) know how the buyer will use/change the 3D models/objects of trademarked products, we advise the buyer/user of 3D:  models/objects to contact the manufacturer (DaimlerChrysler, VW, Boing , Air France etc.) prior (!) to the publication of the 3D-designs, and verify that the -intended- final design product is in compliance with the legal use of the protected image/trademark.

or lumion give it universal free use for all????


I would not think that Act3d would insert something for everyone to use that would be infringement of Copyright.  If they are in the final object library, they would be free for all to use.  If, and that is a big IF there would ever be an issue that would come up, the fight would not be yours as an end user; it would be an issue for the developers.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 12, 2012, 05:05:59 pm
sorry.
where are the rules from lumion 3d?

 the fight is only with enduser. i now i´am profesional about 40 years as photographer and architekt and i need for each photo with people if i want to publish the model relase also for some architektur buildings (potsdam) etc. and never use  trademarks like Air France or Lufthansa. by publishing 3d-car models i use only conzeptcars or history models with open lizenz. sure for small presentation in private use, there is no complainer- i hope so but for big presentations with contracting authority- nothing it´s no go

and as project engineer i´s the sole responsibilty of all, i have to check everything
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 12, 2012, 05:46:23 pm
First shot of Global Illumination online!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: unit102 on October 12, 2012, 05:48:07 pm
I use Lumion 3D for Architect + 3D animation.
Lumion price is very expensive (expensive as 3D max !!) and it is not a modeling tool.
At the moment, I use the free version 2.5 and doing some experiments loading Large scenes.

I really wish if you could add animation control tools into Lumion to run certain animations at certain times, to make a 3D movie since Lumion is pretty much matured and comes in a high price.

You will extend your audience.

 :(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 12, 2012, 05:53:01 pm
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!  Woo Hoo GI is here!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 12, 2012, 05:54:53 pm
(http://s19.postimage.org/zb6ezyvi9/User.gif).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 12, 2012, 05:59:10 pm
ok it`s good to use :-P
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 12, 2012, 05:59:42 pm
Why can't Lumion team tell us exactly what's the 3.0 will be..........All you're doing while we're speculating on what could be, what would be.....bla bla bla.......is anger rising.

Tell us today, at least from now, we will or will not keep our money safe from the "BIG" come out.  Only 2 weeks left and still nothing to convince me and many, many, many more other users.

Lumion 3.0 is still under development. Right now you have the oppertunity to upgrade for a reduced fee (early bird discount). The advantage of this is you have a lower price but the disadvantage is that you do not have 100% accurate overview of all the new features. The blog allows you to get an idea of what is new in though.

There's always the option to wait until the official release. By that time Act 3D can give a full and clear picture making it easier to decide.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 12, 2012, 06:00:51 pm
Maybe Morten can jump in an provide more clarity about the usage of branded items like cars, planes etc...
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 12, 2012, 06:08:10 pm
WOW! Finally, GI!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 12, 2012, 06:17:50 pm
I use Lumion 3D for Architect + 3D animation.
Lumion price is very expensive (expensive as 3D max !!) and it is not a modeling tool.
At the moment, I use the free version 2.5 and doing some experiments loading Large scenes.

I really wish if you could add animation control tools into Lumion to run certain animations at certain times, to make a 3D movie since Lumion is pretty much matured and comes in a high price.

You will extend your audience.

 :(

For most of our customers Lumion is a way to save money. Lumion offers very good solution and after one or two visualizations the initial purchase can already be profitable. We design Lumion for people so they can save or make money. We set the prices based on this and we try to do what our customers expect and want.

In general Act 3D thinks Lumion offers excellent value for it's price. You could say you get what you pay for so a lower price would also mean less updates, less features, less content and reduced future developments.

The reason for not including more advanced animation capabilities is because it would get too complex for the target audience of Lumion. We want to avoid being a jack of all trades, master of none.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 12, 2012, 06:20:38 pm
WOW! Finally, GI!

I do have some cool movies and cool screenshots but I will post them later. Hopefully next week or I will post some other new features.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 12, 2012, 06:26:20 pm
yes yes yes all postings now khalifa is waiting you don´t no who is khalifa, khalifa can buy hole lumion with his small money in his pocket :D khalifa spends 200 milion$ for the seychells
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on October 12, 2012, 06:27:31 pm
GI yes...........one step closer to my wallet ;)..........still need really good reflection though.

Thanks Lumion team.........keep on going
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: engamoudi on October 12, 2012, 06:36:29 pm
First shot of Global Illumination online!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI)

 :-9
that is what i am talking about
bingoooooo  lumion team
let us see another exterior scene with GI
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: engamoudi on October 12, 2012, 06:43:02 pm
First shot of Global Illumination online!

http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI (http://lumion3d.com/lumion-3.0-preview#GI)

After Global Illumination
please lumion team focus on glass transparency control
this is very very important feature in architectural visualization industry

go on lumion team
glass transparency control is easy and it is exist in every rendering software
you can do it
you got GI now .. and this is great step
go on to next step .. go on to transparency control for glass
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 12, 2012, 09:19:09 pm
3D clouds and GI is enough for me, I will upgrade tomorrow.

I hope it is not for single frame and we will be able to use it in animations.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 12, 2012, 09:20:56 pm
Congratulations.

Now let's add the ability to import videos or image sequences as textures and I'm sold.

byzantium1200: Have you heard of "GI flicker"?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: arch_bd on October 12, 2012, 09:30:45 pm
This is great O+ new feature
I knew that GI was delicious cherry on the cake
Thank you Team
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on October 12, 2012, 09:47:13 pm
3D clouds and GI is enough for me, I will upgrade tomorrow.

I hope it is not for single frame and we will be able to use it in animations.

3D clouds,GI y reflection, perfect threesome!! gracias equipo Lumion!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 12, 2012, 10:02:57 pm
Vertex animation import is easy too – ACT-3D are doing it already with the stock objects (and it’s not rocket science) – it’s just they don’t seem to want to open up the pipeline for professional users.

Frankly I’m astonished at the developers’ claims that they are not implementing major functional changes because they ‘want to avoid being a jack of all trades, master of none.’ – whilst simply tweaking effects, making the interface even easier and adding yet more models.

All this talk of the company’s philosophy – that of course they could add functionality but won’t because they think the application would be less attractive to users – doesn’t make sense.

If Adobe had stopped developing photoshop years ago we’d all be using another 2D editor by now and photoshop would be forgotten history.

It makes me wonder if it’s because ACT-3D can't actually add major functionality.

Given the ‘new features’ offered thus far – it appears the only actual programming for version 3.0 is on simple interface changes, effects and minor functional tweaks to the render engine (eg GI). All the rest of the work is modelling new stock content.

Now if I was cynical – and I’m seriously getting there – I’d say this ‘Big Mac version 3.0’ which will be twice as expensive as the previous burger – doesn’t have any more meat in it than version 3.0: just a lot of filler and bit more dressing.

Again, I’m astonished – the crazy thing is I still want to buy the app, but I still need more functionality. Aaagh!   |:(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on October 12, 2012, 10:15:04 pm
Is never enough...everything is easy to talk about...if it is so easy, why is this the only real-time 3d platform that can be easily used, has a multitude of examples by many people.  I can not imagine what it takes to program this type of software...and as a user from the beginning, functionality has almost doubled with each release.  I have purchased the software myself, and will purchase the update myself...does it suck to spend the money, sure...but it makes it back for me in a short period of time.  My 2 cents
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 12, 2012, 10:34:12 pm
Frankly I’m astonished at the developers’ claims that they are not implementing major functional changes because they ‘want to avoid being a jack of all trades, master of none.’ –

Forgive me for saying this .but im amazed you registered on this forum on
Date Registered:    September 12, 2012..............................4 weeks ago

yet you have a reputation number of 7

and you haven't even bought any  previous versions ?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on October 12, 2012, 10:34:20 pm
There has never really been a choice....Photo Shop ....Corel....and..??..gimp :-D
We have  put up with the Adobe/windows widget... were did my toolbar go!...or how did it get there for years.  I had both of those apps on floppy disc. I use Adobe's Master Collection and have since it was available. But my goodness, the Gui that you seem to like is so poorly designed through-out the suite.

So Lumion don't use an Adobe front-end as an example for your future work....that would be a step backwards for an Illustrator.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Robert A. Christman on October 12, 2012, 10:44:57 pm
you do have an intriguing eye for detail, Babe!

bob

Forgive me for saying this .but im amazed you registered on this forum on
Date Registered:    September 12, 2012..............................4 weeks ago

yet you have a reputation number of 7

and you haven't even bought any  previous versions ?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 12, 2012, 10:56:02 pm
True!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 12, 2012, 11:04:05 pm
Now if I was cynical – and I’m seriously getting there – I’d say this ‘Big Mac version 3.0’ which will be twice as expensive as the previous burger – doesn’t have any more meat in it than version 3.0: just a lot of filler and bit more dressing.
:D

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 13, 2012, 12:03:11 am
im amazed you registered on this forum on
Date Registered:    September 12, 2012..............................4 weeks ago

yet you have a reputation number of 7

I gave him +1 rep. I might not fully agree with him, but I support his request for a software more aimed at professionals.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on October 13, 2012, 12:05:10 am
:D



would be too much to ask a few more images with GI? .... is dsifruta  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 13, 2012, 01:00:40 am
Hi Arthur – obviously I mis-typed and I meant to say:

Now if I was cynical – and I’m seriously getting there – I’d say this ‘Big Mac version 3.0’ which will be twice as expensive as the previous burger – doesn’t have any more meat in it than version 2.0 just a lot of filler and bit more dressing.

I’m incredulous that the developers of this software can only criticize a miss-typed error and not respond to the direct issue of lack of functionality.

I’m sure you all know the story about the Emperor’s New Clothes: that’s exactly what’s happening here – and it’s tragic.

My god, this is getting silly...
When are you guys going to realise I’m not attacking your software, and I actually want to buy it!
Only as things stand – ACT-3D are defending the indefensible (not developing software, but dressing it up and pretending it’s development) – and the existing ‘loyal user base’ ( Babe, I include you in this….) is actually helping them…

Amazing!

PS vertex animation is currently the preserve of ‘secret knowledge’; which is basically they’re importing bones/ vertex-based animation into quest 3d (via a baker – and it’s all all so hard because of point caching….blah,blah). But they’re bringing it in from the likes of 3dsmax in the first place. When I’ve worked on 3d software design it was simply a matter of asking the programmers to write a converter. As I say, it isn’t rocket science.

PPS so what if I haven’t bought lumion?
I want to!
I really, really want to!
I just want Act-3D to get their ACT together and make it worth buying for a 3d professional.

Best regards, and good luck again with your padded-out Big Mac.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 13, 2012, 01:17:58 am
big mac up and down gi or not gi if you can not use lumion without internet

blease why we can not use the old and the new aktivationsystems?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 13, 2012, 01:35:12 am
My best guess is that it's to combat piracy. That's actually a good thing, because it means I will have less competition from pirates. If this is the reason, I suggest Act-3D should hire Julian Assange or some other top-hacker to make sure they leave no backends in this system.

Adobe and Autodesk are doing something similar: Moving to online-activated subscription models. (Search for Adobe Cloud). You no longer "own" a software license, you just lease it on a per-year basis.

I've just switched to a more stable ISP, so I guess I won't have too much trouble with Lumion, but still, Internet connection tends to go down exactly when you need it the most.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 13, 2012, 02:01:15 am
By the way, Babe – I’ve no idea what ‘reputation’ is on this forum, and I had no intention of getting (or losing?) one.

I presume if mine has increased in a short time, regardless of me currently being ‘only’ a free version license holder for a very short space of time – it’s because I’ve stated things which resonate with other users – be they existing customers or potential customers like myself.

All I’ve done since I started using the free version of lumion is make honest comments and suggestions from an experienced 3d professional’s perspective about why I’d like to buy the full, pro version – but why I can’t go ahead because whilst Lumion is great in lots of ways, it’s frustratingly limited in others which are particularly important to me.

The requests I’ve made for improved functionality – which appear to have fallen on deaf ears in terms of the developers – are, I believe, constructive. Not just in terms of my own general 3d-requirements – but also specifically in terms of architectural visualization.

I’m sure as time goes on, lumion will be developed more positively (if not, it will inevitably fail – which would be really tragic) – in which case, I will immediately buy it. Meanwhile I will continue to be both a fan of the application and I guess a frustrated would-be user because as it is – lumion does not yet fulfil my needs.

Please take all my posts positively (criticism is a good thing), and to any other lumion fans – be they existing or potential customers, please don’t interpret my comments as being destructive. All I continue to hope for – is a better lumion.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 13, 2012, 02:35:27 am
Don't worry about the score. We keep track of the votes so we know if someone is playing tricks. Our forum policy is very clear about that. When you hack or trick the system is a shortcut to a permanent ban.

Quote
I’m sure you all know the story about the Emperor’s New Clothes: that’s exactly what’s happening here – and it’s tragic.

My god, this is getting silly...
When are you guys going to realise I’m not attacking your software, and I actually want to buy it!
Only as things stand – ACT-3D are defending the indefensible (not developing software, but dressing it up and pretending it’s development) – and the existing ‘loyal user base’ ( Babe, I include you in this….) is actually helping them…

Amazing!

@sirsansa: Feedback is welcome but your remarks go well beyond what I consider appropriate. You can do that and you are surely allowed to but by talking like that (We pretend we are developing things etc..) you have to wonder if it is the best way for people (Well, act-3d in this case) to take you seriously. I think you made your point before and a post like that are more likely to do damage than do good to your case. This is not a schoolyard where you can 'win' an argument by insult and ridicule. If you want to have any influence in the development process the only way is to make a compelling attractive case so people at Act-3d start thinking: "You know what, this guy has a point!".
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 13, 2012, 02:45:05 am

I’m sure as time goes on, lumion will be developed more positively (if not, it will inevitably fail – which would be really tragic) – in which case, I will immediately buy it. Meanwhile I will continue to be both a fan of the application and I guess a frustrated would-be user because as it is – lumion does not yet fulfil my needs.

Please take all my posts positively (criticism is a good thing), and to any other lumion fans – be they existing or potential customers, please don’t interpret my comments as being destructive. All I continue to hope for – is a better lumion.


Just to be clear: Lumion is NOT a tool for the traditional 3d professionals. It's a tool that lets everyone do stuff previously only 3d professionals and experts could. You can use it as a professional but we think there are already hundreds of other tools for you. The key factor of Lumion is that everyone can use it. Lumion users are professionals but they do not have to be visualization pro's.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 13, 2012, 03:20:09 am
Thanks Remko.

You consider my remarks inappropriate and for that I’m sorry – but it really wasn’t my intention. I’ve simply been honest.

I don’t believe I’ve insulted or ridiculed anyone, though I do find your schoolyard analogy extremely disrespectful.

From the previous comments of ACT-3D staff I’m pretty sure that I won’t have any influence over the development of lumion – frankly I’ve no desire to have any personal influence over it’s development: all I’ve been saying should be quite obvious to you and your team, and is no doubt obvious to many of your users, especially since many of them have asked for the same improvements in functionality.

You know what, I (and everyone who’s asked for functionality which has not and will not be delivered) – do have a really important point. And that point translates into money. The money you would get for license fees which you won’t get if you don’t respond adequately to your customers, and potential customers. Remember, the customer is always right – and simply saying ‘no’ means you’re probably not going to get a sale.

And incredibly, I still want to buy your software…. :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: SketchLA on October 13, 2012, 05:25:51 am


You know what, I (and everyone who’s asked for functionality which has not and will not be delivered) – do have a really important point. And that point translates into money. The money you would get for license fees which you won’t get if you don’t respond adequately to your customers, and potential customers. Remember, the customer is always right – and simply saying ‘no’ means you’re probably not going to get a sale.

And incredibly, I still want to buy your software…. :)


You're taking this too seriously.  Lumion is an incredible piece of software.  Give it time...you'll see improvements.  Also, remember the "pros" are not the masses.  The masses way outnumber the pros.  They must appeal to the masses first as that is their bread and butter. 
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: byzantium1200 on October 13, 2012, 08:01:09 am
Congratulations.

Now let's add the ability to import videos or image sequences as textures and I'm sold.

byzantium1200: Have you heard of "GI flicker"?
That is why I say I hope we can use it in animations, I don't expect Lumion to have advanced flicker prevention procedures as in other raytracers.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: andrewpage on October 13, 2012, 09:12:13 am
basically people buying Lumion say the 2 major things that made them purchase was:
1) the super fast render times and easy to make walk-through animations
2) Easy to use the software, fast to learn

While this may be the reason for some people, I wonder how much value do these people put into output quality? At the end of the day, we are creating images and/or walkthroughs for clients. They don't care if it was easy and quickly created. And anyone in the architectural fields knows that the competition is stiff in this crisis and you need absolutely stunning images to get the job. A quick look at archdaily.com or bustler.com will reveal what the quality standards are and it's questionableonable if Lumion can achieve that.

That said, Act-3d made it clear that they are targeting a specific audience, which as they say have very little experience in visualization and animations.  In this case, the quality output of Lumion will be sufficient for their clients since they are not accustomed of getting any high end renderings anyhow. These firms also are in a different competing market.

So, I think it's good that Act-3D is very clear on who they are targeting. However, their is a danger to this. As a company, you can get  type-casted as the "Hyundai company  of vizualizations" since you only target the "Hyundai drivers". Revit had this problem too in the past  for being a tool solely used by architects who knock out off the shelf brick colonials.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 13, 2012, 10:54:25 am
and the existing ‘loyal user base’ ( Babe, I include you in this….)

Thankyou for the Compliment .

It looks like you've already made up your mind ..................
with less than 2 weeks to go ..............your gonna miss out.


(http://lumion3d.com/credits/html/images2/ProUpgrade.jpg)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 13, 2012, 11:11:00 am
I’m incredulous that the developers of this software can only criticize a miss-typed error and not respond to the direct issue of lack of functionality.

Best regards, and good luck again with your padded-out Big Mac.
Haha, I didn't even notice the typo!

Btw: I don't remember I ever ate a Big Mac ;-) Since I ran quite a long distance yesterday I think am going to eat one today... I can handle the extra calories. I am also curious what the guys at te desk would say if I complain about the lack of 'flip met uien' on it.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 13, 2012, 11:50:51 am
While this may be the reason for some people, I wonder how much value do these people put into output quality? At the end of the day, we are creating images and/or walkthroughs for clients. They don't care if it was easy and quickly created. And anyone in the architectural fields knows that the competition is stiff in this crisis and you need absolutely stunning images to get the job. A quick look at archdaily.com or bustler.com will reveal what the quality standards are and it's questionableonable if Lumion can achieve that.

That said, Act-3d made it clear that they are targeting a specific audience, which as they say have very little experience in visualization and animations.  In this case, the quality output of Lumion will be sufficient for their clients since they are not accustomed of getting any high end renderings anyhow. These firms also are in a different competing market.

So, I think it's good that Act-3D is very clear on who they are targeting. However, their is a danger to this. As a company, you can get  type-casted as the "Hyundai company  of vizualizations" since you only target the "Hyundai drivers". Revit had this problem too in the past  for being a tool solely used by architects who knock out off the shelf brick colonials.

Our vision on this is simple: There are numerous tools out there to create hyper realistic rendered images. There are two areas though where we differentiate ourselves. First, Lumion is a lot quicker. This means you can have a movie instead of an image. Second, it's a lot easier and faster to get results. This means now movies are made by people who never were able to create movies before.

I understand that experienced 3d artists love lumion too and ofcourse they want to have many features from other programs combined with the power of Lumion. However, our biggest problem right now for attracting new customers is not that the tool is not hardcore enough. Our biggest issue right now is that people can not believe the tool is easy enough for them to be able to use it.

We are determined when it comes to the identity of Lumion. It's an easy and fast tool above all. The whole reason Lumion exists is that we believe the bottleneck is not in the number of features but it's in the relation between user, software and end result.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 13, 2012, 12:18:17 pm
Hi Arthur, Remko and everyone here

Arthur - since you’ve never suffered one, let’s avoid the Big Mac (I really am vegetarian) and I’m glad you had a good run (I stand on my head a lot – hence the sirsasana – keeps my 47 year old brain in good condition…).

I’d like to thank you, Remko and all for responding to my comments. I’m sorry if I offended anyone at ACT-3D or on the forum: it wasn’t my intention – I was just seeking clarity and trying to understand why there would be no major functional improvements which could persuade me to buy Lumion.

I now understand fully – and of course it’s your call as developers to focus in that way. I’d just say that from my point of view – and no doubt many others – it’s a pity, because your market would be so much bigger if you just added some basic functions (like one: vertex animation import – then I’d buy it). How this would somehow turn off your ‘mass-market’ of new 3d architects is still a mystery to me.

Anyway I’ll delicately remove my thorn from your side, wish you well – and promise I’ll buy lumion as soon as it imports vertex animation (or maybe just export cameras as has also been requested - I could do a lot with that...)

Best regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on October 13, 2012, 01:10:44 pm
reading the last 2 pages gave me a headache :( but i had to know whats going on :P

love the GI improvement and you guys are doing great job :) thank u
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: bottedepaille on October 13, 2012, 02:22:04 pm
My experience coming to Lumion very recently....

As an architect I learnt Archicad in university 15 years ago and have been using 3D software ever since for both design and presentation. My work flow has been Archicad for the design and plans and then to Artlantis for presentation.  In my experience with clients and work colleagues, it actually doesn't take much to impress them when it comes to 3D stuff because most people still even today use 2d cad and images. If it has to be a commercially wow presentation, then I subcontract the work  

 Its been to my benefit that in the morning someone will ask for a design, and by  late afternoon or later that week I can have some initial plans, 3d views and quick Artlantis renders produced which almost always  more than impresses the people I show it to.

I DON'T WANT to spend most of the day or week working on an already complicated architectural program producing designs, to then have to slave over another complicated software like 3dmax or whatever. As much as I like very much working with computers, I'm a designer first. Because of the nature of most architecture and 3d rendering software today I have to spend most of my time  learning to use these hardcore apps. and to be honest its too much.

What a breath of fresh air Lumion is! When I initially saw it and the results I immediately thought, wow, that's beautiful, BUT I don't want to spend hours and hours learning another 3dMAX, C4d etc.   So I put off down loading the demo.

 When I did eventually try it I was blown away by:
 1. the quality
 2. The speed (especially with the trees, for me this is the breakthrough for archivis software)
 3. the ease of use and learning. Within one evening of installing, I had created a video presentation that I was very pleased with.
 4. and it was fun!  I felt like a film director (instead of having to be a hardcore 3D designer)            THIS is what I have been waiting for.


Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacek Kwiatkowski on October 13, 2012, 02:44:09 pm
REMKO

The GI looks amazing - great job :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: andrewpage on October 13, 2012, 03:09:02 pm
My experience coming to Lumion very recently....

As an architect I learnt Archicad in university 15 years ago and have been using 3D software ever since for both design and presentation. My work flow has been Archicad for the design and plans and then to Artlantis for presentation.  In my experience with clients and work colleagues, it actually doesn't take much to impress them when it comes to 3D stuff because most people still even today use 2d cad and images. If it has to be a commercially wow presentation, then I subcontract the work  

 Its been to my benefit that in the morning someone will ask for a design, and by  late afternoon or later that week I can have some initial plans, 3d views and quick Artlantis renders produced which almost always  more than impresses the people I show it to.

I DON'T WANT to spend most of the day or week working on an already complicated architectural program producing designs, to then have to slave over another complicated software like 3dmax or whatever. As much as I like very much working with computers, I'm a designer first. Because of the nature of most architecture and 3d rendering software today I have to spend most of my time  learning to use these hardcore apps. and to be honest its too much.

What a breath of fresh air Lumion is! When I initially saw it and the results I immediately thought, wow, that's beautiful, BUT I don't want to spend hours and hours learning another 3dMAX, C4d etc.   So I put off down loading the demo.

 When I did eventually try it I was blown away by:
 1. the quality
 2. The speed (especially with the trees, for me this is the breakthrough for archivis software)
 3. the ease of use and learning. Within one evening of installing, I had created a video presentation that I was very pleased with.
 4. and it was fun!  I felt like a film director (instead of having to be a hardcore 3D designer)            THIS is what I have been waiting for.





Well, you are exactly the type of firm Act-3D is after, which is completely understandable. However, I work for a firm that gets commissioned primarily through (international) competitions. We have a bunch of cheap labor interns knocking out V-ray renderings which is needed to be competitive nowadays. My point is that Act-3D should keep in mind that once a beginner gets the hang of the product he wants more. Our designers have switch form the easy Sketchup to the more high end Rhino/grasshopper too. As a software company you want to keep your costumers basean, so hopefully Act-3D grows together with their costumers and provide the tools for them as they become more advanced.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 13, 2012, 03:59:06 pm
Our biggest issue right now is that people can not believe the tool is easy enough for them to be able to use it.

Maybe they can't believe it's a "casual" app because it has the price of a "hardcore" app.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 13, 2012, 04:05:56 pm
that´s right +1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 13, 2012, 04:10:36 pm
with less than 2 weeks to go ..............your gonna miss out.
(http://lumion3d.com/credits/html/images2/ProUpgrade.jpg)

If past history is any indication, Lumion 3.0 will not be released in november 1st, but around november 25th-30th.

Thus, if the early bird discount is kept until the day before release as the image says, we still have 6 weeks to catch the discount.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 13, 2012, 04:18:33 pm
that´s a good questions  +1
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 13, 2012, 05:06:44 pm
Found some "unofficial" sneak peeks of Lumion 3.0 vegetation in Byzantos' site:
http://byzantos.com/portfolio/lumion-speedtree/ (http://byzantos.com/portfolio/lumion-speedtree/)
"Development shots of Speedtree items created for Lumion 1.0, 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0"

These look really good. I love the grass in this shot:
(http://byzantos.com/wp-content/plugins/slider-pro/includes/timthumb/timthumb.php?q=95&w=1280&h=720&a=c&zc=2&src=http://byzantos.com/wp-content/uploads/lumion-speedtree-sneakpeak1-3.jpg)

Looks like he already used some of these in his "handheld" video for the Lumion 2.5 launch. Now, if Lumion 3.0 could incorporate ecosystems to distribute grass and plants over a mesh or to apply them as a shader, now that would be a huge time saver!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: AnilMundi on October 14, 2012, 01:41:23 am
This looks beautiful!
I like the Global Illumination preview of Lumion 3 a lot. I wonder how this compares to LumenRt. Has anybody tried it? I think the pictures on their website look gorgeous, but I don't undrstand why they talk about realtime global illumination too?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 14, 2012, 05:41:10 am
This is what I expect Lumion 3.0 to be  ;)
Tour Virtual Residencial Ecovillage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCbG8HWq47U#ws)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on October 14, 2012, 11:42:41 am
Beautiful.  I love the wall paper with the people silhouettes.  Thank you for sharing that one.

So...  That is 64?gigs+V-ray?+HD? textures+how many cpu?+setupHrs?+rendertime

http://lumion3d.com/forum/gallery-best-works/wip-imagery-updated-old-thread-custom-plant-material/?action=dlattach;attach=14773;image (http://lumion3d.com/forum/gallery-best-works/wip-imagery-updated-old-thread-custom-plant-material/?action=dlattach;attach=14773;image)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 14, 2012, 11:55:32 am
i think is made with the ipad }) }) i make somethings vrong ??? ???top secrets app from kuba ::)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on October 14, 2012, 12:14:02 pm
You are right Ecuadoreian it is fantastic.
Precisely, if we stopped to excite us and purchased all Lumion 3. With all this money the Lumion Team can tackle more quietly the next lumion 4.
Who will look probably like this.  :-D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on October 14, 2012, 12:20:25 pm
By reading the last pages, I grabbed the headache.
Someone can tell me if all bugs of Lumion 2.5 have been corrected. And if not, which are still in activity.
Best Regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Aaron on October 14, 2012, 01:14:38 pm
I'd like Lumion 3.0 to give me a massage after a hard days work. While I'm relaxing in front of my TV I want Lumion to fetch me a cold beer and serve me dinner. If I can muster the effort of pressing a single button, I want Lumion to reward me an instant Oscar winning CGI movie, preferably whilst importing all my assets too. If there is some awesome new effect or function available in any other app on the web, I'd be grateful if Lumion could import that automatically whilst cleaning my house, doing the laundry and washing my dishes. If 3.0 doesn't bring me all of the above, I'll be severely disappointed.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on October 14, 2012, 01:16:47 pm
What appraoch do we use here generating GI?

It sounds a bit like a brighter fill light (ambient light) with some color bleeding only. No real GI.
I guess only videos will show. For example with a dark room and just one light in coming through a window or so.


For animations:
I think its useful for everyone. 3D pro or architect user. If you really want to go beyong a good arch-viz presentation and generate an emotional connection for your presentation and possible investors/buyers of your home you simply need some custom animation import.

I see it at the moment during the Bekerman museum contest. I can't even tell some kind of story with custom people walking around or looking at certain things. I wonder if most architects only need some fly round an object stuff and 3d people doing generic tasks. Not very breath taking hehe. ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on October 14, 2012, 01:44:47 pm
Every new feature that gives me better results when generating illustrations are very welcome.

Here in Denmark and (my guess) in the rest of the world, the demands to illustrations has increased.
They have to be somehow realistic and in the same time, have a dreamy atmosphere. I think most renders are done in the combination of 3D max and vray.

This is how I see what Lumion is up against, well here in Denmark at least.

That's why I mostly need render features like good lightning, good shadows and reflections.

And I hope, that Lumion, in the future, will move from the rather cartoonish look (especially human models are bad) to become a more serious competitor to max/vray.

I think that the new GI lightning is a step in the right direction :-)

Here is a link to one of the most talented render guys in Denmark (in my opinion) http://www.cadman.dk (http://www.cadman.dk)

That's Lumions challenge, and I'm looking forward to follow the development of Lumion :-)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on October 14, 2012, 02:13:27 pm
Those are super awesome amazing viz images from cadman.  

Love that webpage... where to get.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on October 14, 2012, 02:21:02 pm
No, and no need to.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Francan on October 14, 2012, 02:55:13 pm
It is true each new feature is  well come, but for me by ex I am in an area where 90% are projects of basic architecture like kind home and subdivision.
The client has nothing to do with image hyper realistic and want especially the cheapest price possible.
Then the quality of Lumion is for me totally adjust to this clients because I can generate images and videos very quickly at low cost.
The version 2.5 was already for me then if the version 3.0 is much better, I am happy to. If the quality and functions grow without penalizing the speed, i am lessee also.

I find it difficult to understand why one wants to do Lumion another 3DS +V-ray. And I also have difficulty in believing that if that was the case,  Lumion continuou to produce images and videos as quickly.
Finally I think that those who  need  the V-ray quality , they can always continue to work with V-ray.( Sorry It has escaped me )

Well on the images of Cadman are beautiful but this is not my market and like me there should be a lot of people

I even read that we should add a soundtrack directly in lumion. Is it really make sense and why not sent directly the images by email we will won time also.
 
More seriously i think that if we want to too many things, Lumion risk of losing its soul.

Personally, I think you ask too much and too quickly

I am still now asking me if all the bugs in the version 2.5 have been correct because at the moment nobody has answered me.

Ai!ai!ai!! I believe that I am going to be typing on the head  |:(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on October 14, 2012, 03:52:09 pm
Hi Francan

You sure have a point there. Lumion should not be a new 3d max / vray (to slow and complicated) tool, but need to be something else. I didn't realize that before you wrote it :-)

I will shut up and watch :-)

Ps. I guess that Cadmans illustrations are 75% photoshop and 25% render output. So all I need is some improved reflections :-)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: engamoudi on October 14, 2012, 04:26:54 pm
I agree with Francan
High quality still Image is not necessary for lumion to be
but some improved in lighting (GI) and reflection will be good thing
and also lumion need an exported exe file feature to becomes a perfect realtime tool
self executible file is very important feature for realtime presentation and  to give freedom to clients to explore their projects.

exe exported file capability will make lumion a great tool for fast rendering and demonstration with clients and contracts
just like LumenRT for sketchUp

I don't understand why lumion team refuse and prevent this feature to be included in their software
this feature will make lumion more famous around the world especially if the exported file include lumion and Act3d trademarks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 14, 2012, 04:48:58 pm
The argument that adding any real/ useful functionality beyond –

Tweaking effects, adding stock models and making the interface even easier…

…would somehow make Lumion a ‘hardcore’ application or another 3dsmax doesn’t make sense.

Nobody wants another 3dsmax (if Lumion tried to be 3dsmax, it would take them over 20 years to develop the thousands of tools – and in the process they’d ruin their own great application).

People just want a great application to become even better by some basic additional functionality –

eg I particularly need proper (vertex) animation import: with which we could all make more
captivating, emotional and story-based content – since we could import custom animated characters, animals and objects.

The developers have been emphatic in their statements regarding their target ‘mass’ market and how it’s important they don’t add any actual functionality because this would make the application less easy to use.

I must be living on a different planet here, because I really can’t see how adding any import or export functions or adding the option to type-in parameters (or any of the other functional improvements which have been requested) – would in any way make the application less easy to use or less attractive to Lumion’s target market.

Adding such functionality would surely just make Lumion more attractive to its existing user-base as well as to potential customers, and would make the high cost of the license fee more worth paying.

Anyway – back to standing on my head, and waiting for the penny to drop  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: portrait on October 14, 2012, 05:12:49 pm
I don't think hyper realistic still images/animations will be a good step for Lumion. I mean it's not feasible, and it requires a lot more complex calculations which will probably make Lumion a lot slower, briefly 3D Studio VLumi-Ray.
In my opinion, Act-3D should find a way to give us the option of importing a completed Lumion scene into 3D Max or other 3rd party programs in order to get more realistic images. This is the shortest and the cheapest way of making most of the Lumion users happy.
We know that license agreements with 3rd parties such as SpeedTree make importing Lumion scenes into another programs impossible, but what if the importing process of Lumion file into 3D Max becomes like Vue scene into 3D Max? You can import a Vue file into 3D Max, but you cannot edit or modify the model without the Vue plug-in within Max, you can't take any of the Vue plants (or other objects) as a seperate 3d model to use in somewhere else, to sell, or to share.
If we were able to use the Lumion models in 3D Max this way, there would be no actual reason for Speedtree and other 3rd parties to worry about their 'valuable' models.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 14, 2012, 05:15:11 pm
i agree that´s right sirsasana
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 14, 2012, 05:23:20 pm
I'd like Lumion 3.0 to give me a massage after a hard days work. While I'm relaxing in front of my TV I want Lumion to fetch me a cold beer and serve me dinner. If I can muster the effort of pressing a single button, I want Lumion to reward me an instant Oscar winning CGI movie, preferably whilst importing all my assets too. If there is some awesome new effect or function available in any other app on the web, I'd be grateful if Lumion could import that automatically whilst cleaning my house, doing the laundry and washing my dishes. If 3.0 doesn't bring me all of the above, I'll be severely disappointed.



I know exactly what you mean....................................The Attitude.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 14, 2012, 05:31:15 pm
I'd like Lumion 3.0 to give me a massage after a hard days work. <...cut...cut..>  I'll be severely disappointed.

And i want it for FREE.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 14, 2012, 05:59:35 pm
Thanks ilwedritschel,

You know, if everyone agreed – ie asked ACT-3D directly to improve real functionality -
The developers might take notice and improve the application for the better.

Instead, given their comments so far, they will probably maintain their strangely illogical stance – keep trying to divert the (quite simple) argument by continuing to say that anything which is not Lumion 2.0 (albeit dressed-up as lumion 3.0) is somehow a ‘hardcore’ application which would not appeal to their target market, and then make fun of people making honest requests.

Arthur  - sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know.
Methinks the developers doth protest too much…arguing black is white and all. Now that’s real wit!

I don't want lumion for free: I’d happily pay more than 3K euros for a lumion which simply had a few of the functional changes which have been seriously, and honestly requested.

Babe – you’re also strangely in agreement with the developer line, yet I know you would benefit from all of the functional changes which have been requested.

Why the disrespect to people who want to invest in lumion? Why the game-playing and silliness?

Why not just add some real functionality to your application and become a better, more profitable company?

This time I won’t do sirsasana – I’ll do dwi pada sirsana (both feet behind the head pose) and meditate on how light dispels darkness, and truth wipes away lies  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on October 14, 2012, 07:16:43 pm
A lot of my clients apprecite as realistic deliveries of mine as possible butthey are also aware of the fact that realism costs.
With Lumion and Real-Time at all I offered them a good balance of both since 2009 now (lumion a bit later of course).

I don't expect another VRay. I already have unbiased renderer here to get photorealistic projects done. But what I would like to see Lumion head to, at least quality wise, is to other game-engines like what we see in Cryengine3, UE3 or Battlefield3. Mostly theese engines archieve the looks with their ability to color-grade, have lens-effect and a good material system. All those are mostly shader effects and it should be possible without pointing out the license for such engines or whatever comes on the table if AAA game-engines are mentioned.

With the features announced now I think I can risk a payment. Althought I need to find a client who needs a football field in the snowy alpines with sporty african guys near a new ocean. ;)

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on October 14, 2012, 07:47:08 pm
 ;) :D good michael, than can you explain how i get the footballfield in the montains plain in the meshes from lumion terrain. maybe 3 has some merging brush? same for groundfloor need a cut brush or cliping.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on October 14, 2012, 07:51:46 pm
I don't want lumion for free
I wasn't talking about you, so no offence if that might be the case.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: d3v7 on October 14, 2012, 08:09:10 pm
Lumion is possible that an effect resembles parecidoa this?... :-D

http://www.laposte.fr/ (http://www.laposte.fr/)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BABE™ on October 14, 2012, 09:12:47 pm
Babe – you’re also strangely in agreement with the developer line,
Why the game-playing and silliness?


Some of us like to live in the REAL-WORLD............

You seem to be under the illusion , that the only thing the developers, have to do ,
to grant your many requests,is to just ...........PUSH - A - BUTTON (http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5021904123725678&pid=15.1)

the Advancement of Gi in this program is a Major Breakthrough,
I cant imagine the TIME & PATIENCE  ,that must have been involved in creating that.

Not all Fantasy's , can become reality's ,............... by Clicking your Fingers.


(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4989013270594048&pid=15.1)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 14, 2012, 09:23:47 pm
Babe, having worked for some years on 3d software development myself (not as coder, but as a designer for interfaces/ workflow and working closely with the programmers) I've got some idea what's involved, and I know it takes time and headbanging, but none of the features asked for by anyone (except maybe the massage) are in any way outlandish.

Arthur, no offense taken – similarly please don’t take offense at my comments regarding lumion’s development.

I’m just trying to encourage ACT-3D to respond positively to requests for basic additional functionality which would:

a) not make lumion harder to use and not discourage your target market of primarly  inexperienced 3d architects

b) not require lumion to somehow become a ‘jack off all trades’ general 3d or ‘hardcore application’ – just a functionally better version of what it is already.

c) attract more of your target market as well as a lot more experienced 3d architects and 3d professionals

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – you will make your existing customers happier and get a lot more new customers:
 
Not least me and every 3d pro I know who really likes the look of lumion and would love to use it as part of their existing 3d pipeline, but find it can’t quite do what they need it to do - particularly with the animation import limitation…

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – everyone, both ACT-3D and its growing customer base, will be happy.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: cpercer on October 14, 2012, 09:48:16 pm
Babe, having worked for some years on 3d software development myself (not as coder, but as a designer for interfaces/ workflow and working closely with the programmers) I've got some idea what's involved, and I know it takes time and headbanging, but none of the features asked for by anyone (except maybe the massage) are in any way outlandish.

Arthur, no offense taken – similarly please don’t take offense at my comments regarding lumion’s development.

I’m just trying to encourage ACT-3D to respond positively to requests for basic additional functionality which would:

a) not make lumion harder to use and not discourage your target market of primarly  inexperienced 3d architects

b) not require lumion to somehow become a ‘jack off all trades’ general 3d or ‘hardcore application’ – just a functionally better version of what it is already.

c) attract more of your target market as well as a lot more experienced 3d architects and 3d professionals

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – you will make your existing customers happier and get a lot more new customers:
 
Not least me and every 3d pro I know who really likes the look of lumion and would love to use it as part of their existing 3d pipeline, but find it can’t quite do what they need it to do - particularly with the animation import limitation…

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – everyone, both ACT-3D and its growing customer base, will be happy.


After reading the entire post I am left with a question:  what is it about Lumion (features, functions, etc.) that makes you want the developers to add basic functionality?  I can guess, but you know what they say about assumption.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: bottedepaille on October 14, 2012, 09:56:58 pm
Babe, having worked for some years on 3d software development myself (not as coder, but as a designer for interfaces/ workflow and working closely with the programmers) I've got some idea what's involved, and I know it takes time and headbanging, but none of the features asked for by anyone (except maybe the massage) are in any way outlandish.

Arthur, no offense taken – similarly please don’t take offense at my comments regarding lumion’s development.

I’m just trying to encourage ACT-3D to respond positively to requests for basic additional functionality which would:

a) not make lumion harder to use and not discourage your target market of primarly  inexperienced 3d architects

b) not require lumion to somehow become a ‘jack off all trades’ general 3d or ‘hardcore application’ – just a functionally better version of what it is already.

c) attract more of your target market as well as a lot more experienced 3d architects and 3d professionals

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – you will make your existing customers happier and get a lot more new customers:
 
Not least me and every 3d pro I know who really likes the look of lumion and would love to use it as part of their existing 3d pipeline, but find it can’t quite do what they need it to do - particularly with the animation import limitation…

With the addition of some basic additional functionality the result will be – everyone, both ACT-3D and its growing customer base, will be happy.



Would love to see some  of your work, have you got a website, portfolio, can upload some images of work you have done? Might help understand where you are coming from.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 15, 2012, 12:53:52 am
Hi Strawbale,

Where I’m coming from is common sense – which is I hope evident to the other contributors on the forum: asking for basic improvements in lumion functionality which I’m sure everyone would benefit from, not least the developers.

I’ve no real need or wish to publicize my work (or my name) on an open forum entitled ‘lumion 3.0 secrets revealed’  - but if you want to message me directly I’ll be happy to go into more detail. I’ve already corresponded with Ecuadorian with some details of my experience, and I’m happy to correspond personally if you wish.

But just in case anyone doubts my credentials, trust me, if you’ve played an EA sports game from 2000 onwards – you’ve seen my content – as have most people using secondlife, as well as some specialist 3d modelling applications.

My current personal interest/ requirement in lumion is the same as everyone else: fast visualization and rendering. Only my requirement is not just archviz (which is pretty easy really) but characters and deforming (vertex animated) meshes. Again – no different from the vast majority of existing (and potential) users.

Anyway, to the doubters – here’s a character render  :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 15, 2012, 02:13:57 am
PS Strawbale – the functionality I (and many, many others) have requested has been described in detail in my previous posts, but just to recap:

In terms of basic. fundamental functionality:

1) Vertex animation import would make me buy lumion immediately. This would allow me and everyone else to import custom characters and animations (and any other deforming objects) which would – as has been requested – allow storytelling.
It would allow curtains to be drawn and fluids to pour out of glasses. It would allow things like car crashes or oil rig pipeline failures to be simulated properly…the list of things which could be done with lumion if lumion only allowed vertex animation import is pretty well limitless.

2) Export cameras would get me extremely close to buying lumion (because then I could could get round the lack of animation import by compositing using other 3d apps with shadow catchers on the overlaid content).

3) *.exe export would just make me really happy because I like sending clients interactive demos in none-branded windows - and at 3K per license, I should be able to.

In terms of interface (and I know, many existing users are religiously opposed to any change here…) – it would benefit everyone to have:

1) A more flexible interface – one which could be multi-viewport as well as single view (existing lumion) would allow everyone to work faster and more precisely.

2) Type-ins as well as sliders for all parameters (where’s the precision in the existing sliders?).

3) A multichannel timeline in build mode would simply make animation easier and faster all round, instead of the incredibly noddy (dumb) method currently employed of separate timelines in movie mode.

Obviously there have been many other requests for functionality, such as object export (with which ACT-3D have a licensing issue), more intuitive environmental controls, vegetation painting – as well as all the rendering requests, but basically I keep coming back to one thing:

At least to me, vertex animation import is the most important upgrade of all. Again, if it was there – I’d buy lumion right now.

Now none of this is asking for a 'hardcore' application. Just some basics which would benefit everyone. So what's the problem?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 15, 2012, 06:00:51 am
Regarding the video I posted here (http://lumion3d.com/forum/announcements/lumion-3-0-secrets-revealed/345/): I'm not asking for a massage. Everything in the video is actually quite likely to be soon implemented in Lumion. Here's why:

Planar Reflections
Already in Quest3D since 2001:
Quest3D, had planar reflections from 2001 onwards
Check the mirrors in the "Moebius house" demo here:
http://quest3d.com/demos/ (http://quest3d.com/demos/)
It was made by a Quest3D user back in 2008. Quest 3D is the engine powering Lumion.

TVs with movies in them
Also possible in Quest3D.
In Quest3D, animated textures are streamed from files on the harddrive. In Lumion, however, the developers strive to include as many external files as possible in the Library and Scene files, so that they are more or less self-contained.

Add to that the minefield of playing video files with exotic codecs, framerates and resolutions, alpha masks if using .MOV files, combined with the new framerate types in Lumion, and things can quickly get very complicated to implement.

Quest3D users are usually quite tech savvy and know how to prepare their video files in order to make them work. I doubt that the developers want to place a similar burden on Lumion users.
So you see, the only reason why they haven't implemented custom video textures until version 2.5 is because they believed most Lumion users to be not very tech-savvy when it comes to video encoding. However, this didn't stop the developers from adding a "Movie from file" option in Movie mode... which only accepts .mp4 files. So, if they have trusted us to properly encode video in .mp4 format for Lumion's Movie Editor since version 1.0, they will surely also trust us to properly encode it for video textures in a future version.

After all, anybody can now create proper .mp4 files with Handbrake, which is free and requires no knowledge at all. Just load the source file and press the big green "Start" button.

See the "Home cinema" demo here, created with Quest3D:
http://quest3d.com/demos/ (http://quest3d.com/demos/)
It really adds a lot more life to scenes with screens. And in 2012, screens are everywhere in a project. When was the last time you saw an office or a home without any screen?

Global Illumination
2 months ago, Remko hinted that Lumion 3.0 might have GI:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/general-discussion/lumenrt-3/ (http://lumion3d.com/forum/general-discussion/lumenrt-3/)
...and it has now been confirmed for version 3.0. Thank you a lot, guys!   :-9

More Animated people
With the launch of Lumion 1.0 we were amazed to see people talking, making dance moves and walking. The logical progression, two years and four versions later, is to have a lot more of them. Animated people are actually one of Lumion's selling points!
Quote
Bringing your visualization to life is child’s play with the hundreds of entourage models in the model library.
For example trees that sway in the wind, moving cars, animated people, buildings, street furniture and much more.
http://lumion3d.com/details/ (http://lumion3d.com/details/)
And it has been stated that there will be, indeed more animated people:
More animated people (including seated people and different races) will be included in future updates.

Now, before you tell me: "If you want Quest3D functionality, then buy Quest3D"... Well, Quest3D is actually going to become an in-house tool for Act-3D. It's no longer going to be sold to the public as it today.
Quote from: Ferry
In the future, only the hardcore Quest3D partners we have currently will keep access to it and we might stop releasing the program for individual sale completely.
http://lumionautics.com/interview-with-ferry-marcellis/ (http://lumionautics.com/interview-with-ferry-marcellis/)
So the only logical way to fulfill the need for these functionality is to implement it in Lumion.

And I know they listen to their customers.
Quote from: Ferry
Many new features in the new version are a result of users feedback.

And that it's not rocket science for them to implement the features already in Quest3D (animated textures and planar reflections):
Quote from: Ferry
With Quest3D our development process is easy & fast… so there is a lot that can be done.

So you see, I'm not asking for Lumion to do anything unreasonable like fetching me a beer or giving me an Oscar-winner movie with the press of a button. I'm just expecting it to take the next logical step. I want to keep the optimism we felt when we first opened Lumion 1.0, and when we first read the interview Ferry gave to Bekerman. And I do trust the developers will bring back that optimism with V 3.0, so I have just purchased the upgrade.  :)  

So I guess what this critic with "The Attitude" now wants to say is...
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 15, 2012, 09:59:07 am
[NOTICE] Orignally this topic was in the announcement section. Split the topic because it's more appropiate to put it in the general discussion topic. Note that there is also an official wish list section on this forum but that's only accesible if you are a licensed user.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 15, 2012, 10:34:35 am
PS Strawbale – the functionality I (and many, many others) have requested has been described in detail in my previous posts, but just to recap:

In terms of basic. fundamental functionality:
...

Your requests, combined with all other requests are stored. We review all made requests on our development meetings to determine what will be included in the next version of update.

Note that right now none of the features you list here are planned for future versions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 15, 2012, 10:38:31 am
Anyway, to the doubters – here’s a character render  :)

The model looks great. Any other models? We're always looking for good models. The new characters models for 3.0 are all custom made for us but we welcome any modeler that could create higher quality characters.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 15, 2012, 12:21:06 pm
Hi Remko,

Thanks, but I won’t be supplying you with character models: I have my own projects – and I wanted to put characters (and other animated geometries) into lumion myself – but as you say, that’s not going happen.

Anyway, you don’t need better character models – in fact you don’t need better 3d models at all…

You need a better and more constructive business model – and you still need more real functionality in lumion. For example, simply allowing vertex animation import would make the difference between lumion being what it is – essentially a walk/fly through viewer for static objects and your object library – and it being a true (unlimited) content visualization and rendering solution with a much bigger market.

But instead the Emperor took an axe to his forum because he didn’t like what people were saying about his clothes…

That’s not good business, and this certainly isn’t:

“Note that right now none of the features you list here are planned for future versions”

Now there’s a rejection if ever I heard one.

But since many of the requests I’ve made have also been made repeatedly over a very long time by your existing users, you’re rejecting them too.

Seriously, I do wish you well with your business – but you guys really need to get your act together and start listening to your customers.

All the best – and good luck!

PS all this time I’ve had the feeling that the reason why you’re so stuck/ unable to add real functionality is because you’re trying to do everything through quest 3d and you don’t have any real C or C++ graphics programmers (hence the tweaking and reliance on more content to sell the app). If that’s the case, let me know – I know some really good ones who could sort everything out for you.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 15, 2012, 12:49:22 pm
Now there’s a rejection if ever I heard one.

It almost sounds like you take it personally. It's logical for people to have different opinions on things. You very clearly stated your requirements and I think in the end it boils down to us having different plans for Lumion than what you wish for.

Lumion is a tool for architects and generally most do  not even know how to animate a character. Therefore, we choose to not implement vertex animation import. There's a huge amount of other extra features I can think of architects would love. We choose to focus on those features.

We listen very carefully to our customers. Listening to customers and directly implementing every wish are two different things. We seriously considered almost every request on your list in earlier meetings, even before you suggested them. The result, as you know, is that none of those features are planned for future versions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sirsasana on October 15, 2012, 01:51:33 pm
Hi Remko,

Honestly, I don’t take it personally at all – neither should you  :)

I just think it’s illogical, that’s all.

In my experience, business is about growth and expansion which means embracing new markets and widening the customer base.

Forgive me, I’ve never come across a company before which has been so determinedly resistant to fundamentally improve its product, and so strangely defiant that it knows exactly what its market wants – when clearly much of your existing market wants the functions you’ve decided you won’t implement “in any future release”.
Wow, really – that’s some statement.
To me it smacks of blind arrogance but maybe I’ve missed some innovative new business strategy which has found a way to make a success out of a fixed and inflexible approach (like getting blood out of a stone).

I’ve said everything I want to say and since I know I’ve been wasting my time, I’ll stop posting altogether now (you can breathe a big sigh of relief).

Again – good luck with lumion, I really mean it!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 15, 2012, 02:07:35 pm
you’ve decided you won’t implement “in any future release”
We have none of your proposed points planned for a future release. Anything beyond that I do not know yet.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 15, 2012, 02:17:37 pm
Sirsasana: Your fundamental functionality ideas sound good to me!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on October 15, 2012, 02:31:08 pm
I do not have anything to do with architecture visualizations at all.
But I have already bought Lumion 3.0 pro. Why?  For illustrations/animations only. This program makes money!
If I could only take animations and do something with them in 3d max for instance it would be  a dream come true!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on October 15, 2012, 02:55:08 pm
I must say the face is nice ...but not very difficult with the right tools and time. What we do with Lumion is produce image sequences....you posted a model.
We get your point....it is just a little misplaced. There is a shelf full of apps that will let you nurb-out but none of them are any good at architecture. That's why we are here. The two approaches are divergent.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ToFi on October 15, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
Hello,
theme importing animations:
Our company produces films for Siemens. That is why I purchased Lumion3d. What we show is not hollywood-like action. We have to animate moving mechanical structures which are in a landscape environment. Normally Lumion could be very good for that - but for our (in my eyes not exotic) effort Lumion does not work good. We cannot use it until now. My mistake...
TF
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 16, 2012, 01:42:01 pm
theme importing animations:
Our company produces films for Siemens. That is why I purchased Lumion3d. What we show is not hollywood-like action. We have to animate moving mechanical structures which are in a landscape environment. Normally Lumion could be very good for that - but for our (in my eyes not exotic) effort Lumion does not work good. We cannot use it until now. My mistake...

(Hi ToFi, if you haven't already done so, please post your suggestions for improvements of the existing animation functionality in the Wish List section of the forum)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Remko on October 17, 2012, 12:13:55 pm
Hello,
theme importing animations:
Our company produces films for Siemens. That is why I purchased Lumion3d. What we show is not hollywood-like action. We have to animate moving mechanical structures which are in a landscape environment. Normally Lumion could be very good for that - but for our (in my eyes not exotic) effort Lumion does not work good. We cannot use it until now. My mistake...
TF

We have some people who import animated models from 3DS Max. I would not recommend creating complex animations in Lumion. Lumion is an architectural visualization tool and the animation tools are just enough to see a car drive by or a person walk accros the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Ecuadorian on October 17, 2012, 05:01:52 pm
Still, I hope the "advanced animation" effect gets updated. It's currently very buggy.  :-\
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ToFi on October 17, 2012, 06:31:21 pm
(Hi ToFi, if you haven't already done so, please post your suggestions for improvements of the existing animation functionality in the Wish List section of the forum)


... Lumion is an architectural visualization tool


Hi Remko and Morten,
I´m wondering about your communication. For me Morten says up Remko says down.

When I look at both statements and put them together is the translation - make your suggestion, it doesn´t care. And/because - Lumion is only for architects - no other features than features for architects are needed. So why should I make a suggestion against this attitude? No need for answering...

I also made/make architecture visualisations with Vray - stills and clips and my experience is that architectual viz´s are only a tiny sequence of the the future. Why? Architects and their clients don´t want to spend money for visualisations. The future is at science, automotive, industrial viz´s - things where animations are necesarry to show a process - there is the big money and the future.

TF

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 17, 2012, 07:14:27 pm
We have some people who import animated models from 3DS Max. I would not recommend creating complex animations in Lumion. Lumion is an architectural visualization tool and the animation tools are just enough to see a car drive by or a person walk accros the sidewalk.

hi remko,
yes, you are right, i think , this was the intention of the programmers probably and is ok. but then please make the animation as good as possible within these borders , me and lot of other people wrote already down a lot of ideas and bug-reports. when morten rights to tofi, he should write down his ideas, can you tell me, what happened with all the ideas already written down in the forum??? have they a chance ???
and i did not read too much about an improvement of animation toys in the 3.0-web-presentation.

just to make clear: i am not a free-version-user, i bought your software, where the animation module simply does not work, i even bought the 3.0 update without beeing sure about an improvement, there is no real responce to the forum about this besides an info about a possible update for 2.5.....
so maybe a last idea - if you really want to make less, but simple, then make it also more than perfect and everybody is happy.

 
and please, be better then other software producers - don't sell bug-repairs as new versions but repair them.
because as lots of us really know - with lumion we are on the way to a really good production tool
regards stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 18, 2012, 01:23:43 pm
there is no real responce to the forum about this besides an info about a possible update for 2.5.....

Hi stan, I think I have replied to all your posts (regarding the bugs in the Advanced Animation effect I have also replied to those posts every time, and kept people up to date regarding the promised maintenance update for 2.5.1). However, if you spot a post I haven't replied to, please let me know. Just bear in mind that I can't comment on the feasibility of implementing new features or changing existing features - that's a question for Ferry/Remko/Arthur.

and please, be better then other software producers - don't sell bug-repairs as new versions but repair them.

As I have stated in quite a few posts by now, Ferry has already fixed bugs in the Advanced Animation effect in the upcoming Lumion 3.0. The bug fix will be included in a maintenance release for Lumion 2.5 (i.e. 2.5.1) which will be free for 2.5 license-holders. He was originally hoping to release this before 3.0, but due to lack of time, it now looks like it will be released after 3.0. It's unfortunate that you have to wait, and all I can do is to apologise for this :(
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 18, 2012, 01:28:29 pm
So why should I make a suggestion against this attitude? No need for answering...

I think most people here agree that the Advanced Animation effect is not perfect (even if there were no bugs), but if you don't make suggestions, you can be 100% sure that your ideas will never materialise ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on October 18, 2012, 01:33:31 pm
I have found that when doing advanced animation it is best practice to "key frame" the movements (of cars and boats) @ consistent times... i.e every 3 seconds or every 4 seconds - etc etc through the entire time frame allotted.  Always rotate ever so slightly on each "key frame" move if going around corners etc......  you can see the spline in the movement of the objects.  The delete "key frame" is in disrepair so you have to work with it.  I got some cars moving around islands and corners and boats moving forward and backing in - sometimes the spline makes it -sling shot- the movements. Delete the animated object and try again if you get this response.   ;)  When you get it dialed in - looks super cool for animated imagery.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: sach on October 18, 2012, 02:34:47 pm
You can imagine how hectic things are with everyone working super hard to get stuff done for 3.0 - we have very little time left and it's pretty terrifying at times, but we'll get there!

Sorry about not revealing more stuff sooner but we don't want to disappoint people. Imagine how you'd feel if we promised you a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and when you got there, there would just be a bucket full of rusty iron :)

All I can say is that there's more cool stuff than GI in the pipeline but we can't reveal what until we're absolutely sure that everything works.

Something like reflection i hope!!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gga_Mars on October 18, 2012, 02:53:49 pm
Something like reflection i hope!!
or something like axonometric view or brush for painting multiple trees and plants  ? Or "ecosystem" with "populate" function ...or...humm... the idea of massages with cleaning room function was also a good idea ;) :P
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 18, 2012, 03:48:08 pm
Sorry, sach and Gga_Mars - I had to split your posts in the announcement thread as they were about wishes for new features :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on October 18, 2012, 05:17:11 pm
Hi stan, I think I have replied to all your posts (regarding the bugs in the Advanced Animation effect I have also replied to those posts every time, and kept people up to date regarding the promised maintenance update for 2.5.1). However, if you spot a post I haven't replied to, please let me know. Just bear in mind that I can't comment on the feasibility of implementing new features or changing existing features - that's a question for Ferry/Remko/Arthur.

As I have stated in quite a few posts by now, Ferry has already fixed bugs in the Advanced Animation effect in the upcoming Lumion 3.0. The bug fix will be included in a maintenance release for Lumion 2.5 (i.e. 2.5.1) which will be free for 2.5 license-holders. He was originally hoping to release this before 3.0, but due to lack of time, it now looks like it will be released after 3.0. It's unfortunate that you have to wait, and all I can do is to apologise for this :(

hi morten, thanx for all your replies so far, the forum is really good and you are a perfect moderator, that's not the problem, sorry, i was a bit stressed at the time, i wrote this, the only problem is really, that nobody really knows, what's coming up next or not and if some ideas in the wishlist have chances or not. so as you wrote, it's all about waiting.....
regards stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 18, 2012, 06:36:21 pm
sorry, i was a bit stressed at the time, i wrote this,

No worries, all of us at Act-3D can totally relate to that at the moment :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Gga_Mars on October 19, 2012, 09:25:48 am
Sorry, sach and Gga_Mars - I had to split your posts in the announcement thread as they were about wishes for new features :)
No problem Morten , I should have post here... Even if it's my wish for lumion 3 and not for the future version  ;)  :-D

Regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 20, 2012, 11:29:01 am
No problem Morten , I should have post here... Even if it's my wish for lumion 3 and not for the future version  ;)  :-D

Unfortunately, there's no time left for fulfilling more wishes for Lumion 3.0, so I had to put it in the 'ideas for future updates' thread :)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: f8sf on October 22, 2012, 10:46:53 am
ability to import animated camera data will be awesome. i could use it to mix lumion animation with real live environments.   :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: enricob on October 24, 2012, 09:40:24 am
Very nice guys, just one suggestion...

http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset)

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sun+magnification+at+horizon&start=20&hl=en&sa=N&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=2ZqHUIazOumTiQeq24HwDA&ved=0CCQQsAQ4FA&biw=1280&bih=675 (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sun+magnification+at+horizon&start=20&hl=en&sa=N&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=2ZqHUIazOumTiQeq24HwDA&ved=0CCQQsAQ4FA&biw=1280&bih=675)

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 24, 2012, 10:24:37 am
Hi enricob, I didn't see a smiley in your post so I'm not totally sure if you're joking, given the link to The Flat Earth Society page?

If you're not joking, please read this thread:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/new-features-wish-list/size-of-sum/ (http://lumion3d.com/forum/new-features-wish-list/size-of-sum/)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: chris_howard on October 24, 2012, 01:32:35 pm
+1

+1 and collision detection and gravity so that we can export a real time walkthrough for our clients.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: enricob on October 24, 2012, 02:37:01 pm
Hi enricob, I didn't see a smiley in your post so I'm not totally sure if you're joking, given the link to The Flat Earth Society page?

If you're not joking, please read this thread:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/new-features-wish-list/size-of-sum/ (http://lumion3d.com/forum/new-features-wish-list/size-of-sum/)

  :-D :-D Sorry Mortey, I haven't been keeping up to date with the forums lately...I stand corrected!!

I'm generally too lazy to check these things, but I know I should.

Keyframe sun / moon size would be good, just thought something wasn't quite right with the videos posted.

Can I add keyframing and positioning of 3d lightening? that would be a cool effect! (I actually did a search for this  :-D :-D)

Cheers mate...

ps...  :-D :-Dhttp://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/) :-D :-D I'll quote anyone!!!
Sorry about the smiley overkill ::)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on October 24, 2012, 03:34:49 pm
Keyframe sun / moon size would be good, just thought something wasn't quite right with the videos posted.

No worries, a request for a way to artificially change the sun/moon size is a perfectly valid idea (as was also suggested by some users in the thread I posted a link to). I guess I misunderstood your first post and thought you wanted us to make the sun larger near the horizon based on the rather dubious 19th century quote from The Flat Earth Society :)

Can I add keyframing and positioning of 3d lightening? that would be a cool effect! (I actually did a search for this  :-D :-D)

Thanks for your +1 for the ability to keyframe animate spotlight properties (this has also been requested before).

TIP: You can already animate the position/rotation of spotlights via the Basic Animation or Advanced Animation effects - just make sure that the shadows are dynamically updated: Select light -> Edit properties -> Shadow cache -> Off (The downside is that this is slower to render than if you choose static shadows via the 128/256/512 buttons).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on November 02, 2012, 11:36:47 am
i think lumion has everything now but in my point of view only one thing would help.

which is the ability to apply grass material (not the bitmap one) to a surface, or at least the ability to brush the grass on a surface.

will that be in lumion 3.0 ? or will it be in the future ?

thank you so much for everything i sware you are doing what people want and thats the point of this software to be suitable and helpful for everyone
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael on November 02, 2012, 11:59:10 am
...
which is the ability to apply grass material (not the bitmap one) to a surface, or at least the ability to brush the grass on a surface.
...

+1 for the grass question. 3d-grass and more realistic reflections are what holds back our preorder of V3-Pro. Might we know what the odds for getting those 2 features are?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 02, 2012, 12:35:59 pm
which is the ability to apply grass material (not the bitmap one) to a surface, or at least the ability to brush the grass on a surface.

will that be in lumion 3.0 ?

No.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 02, 2012, 12:36:42 pm
+1 for the grass question. 3d-grass and more realistic reflections are what holds back our preorder of V3-Pro. Might we know what the odds for getting those 2 features are?

Grass: That's a question for the developers (Ferry/Arthur/Remko), and they're super busy working on Lumion 3 at the moment.

Reflections: Planar reflections will be included in Lumion 3 (see the newsletter email that was sent yesterday).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Truls on November 02, 2012, 12:42:56 pm
The newsletter PREVIEW with all news of 3.0:

http://www.makenewsmail.com/nyhetsbrev/?a=34193&b=7FAC874C-7599-489C-9660-D02790509BA0 (http://www.makenewsmail.com/nyhetsbrev/?a=34193&b=7FAC874C-7599-489C-9660-D02790509BA0)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on November 03, 2012, 06:29:05 am
I would like to ask for some light functions to be added to the next version of Lumion.
In particular, I want to request for an automatic light function that can recognize the difference between days and nights so that it will automatically turn on as it gets dark, and will turn off as it gets bright.
Thank you so much
Mehdi
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 03, 2012, 09:27:08 am
Thanks for your +1 for that idea, Mehdi (this has been suggested before).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: andrewpage on November 05, 2012, 05:06:17 pm
Philosophy behind Lumion is to have an easy to use and lighting fast rendering software, which specifically targets a group that never used a rendering tool before. However, the developers of lumion have made it clear that in order to get blazing fast real time renderings, you will have to compromise on quality output. For some, this is a tiny price to pay for continues output and a extremely low learning curve which gets the team up and running within a day. However, for most of us who already have a V-ray system in place, Lumion would be a huge step back in terms of output quality. This could be a deal breaker since the client don't really care how fast you have rendered it, but is more interested in the output quality, which they have grown accustomed to. The new GI system and planar reflection is a good addition, however, the rendering time will increase. I personally thing that most of us don't mind the longer rendering time since we are already used to long raytrace rendering times.

That said, I think Lumion is better suited to maintain the ease of use as an objective, but concentrate more on output quality than rendering time. And I don't think that the beginners where Lumion is focused on, would mind a longer rendering speed either, since they don't have any references in different renderings speeds. The combination of ease of use, the clean UI, the library and a high end rendering quality could be a game changer.   
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on November 06, 2012, 06:46:02 pm
(ADMIN: Moved to thread about wishes for future versions of Lumion)

animated textures.....YES.....need it right in the actual project .....THANK YOU, guys......


but...morten, please, will i get my sparetly wanted export & reload of views as total recall
and a batch render export in the build mode?

that would REALLY save sooo much time....

thanx stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 06, 2012, 06:54:37 pm
will i get my sparetly wanted export & reload of views as total recall

All I can say at the moment is that Build/Photo/Movie mode work quite differently in Lumion 3.0.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: palma on November 07, 2012, 01:14:11 am
...and about integrating dimmable lights in lamps in your library?

put lights and regulate them in a group of lamps is hard work or is something that escapes me?

thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 07, 2012, 11:22:36 am
Thanks for your +1 for that idea, palma (this has been suggested before).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on November 08, 2012, 07:27:31 am
Dear Lumion team
I would like to add a few more characters, Arabic and Middle Eastern men and women. Based on a project that we have received from this area(Arabic countries) we need some Arabic and Islamic of the characters in Lumion animation we use in our work.
Thank you so much
Mehdi
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 08, 2012, 10:34:42 am
Hi Mehdi, thanks for your +1 for that idea (which has been suggested before).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: skype6 on November 08, 2012, 02:11:40 pm
Hi lumion team, and what do you think about the objects that move over water and have interaction with her? (For example: ball floating on the water or boat hit by waves) It would save a lot of time on animation :-D.
 Thanks and wish all the best
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 08, 2012, 03:00:00 pm
Thanks for your idea, skype6.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: jorgensen on November 10, 2012, 03:10:18 pm
There has been some focus on the UI.

Is there any new features for simple movements/coyp and grouping?

If I have to populate an office, it would be great if it was possible to group tables and chairs, and be able to rotate the them as a whole group. 

An other 'simple' feauture i miss, is beting able to select an object - or group - and copy it in perpendicular directions, eg. by holding SHIFT+CTRL down.

And just a suggestion, consider using some of the same short cuts that are used in other 3d programs, and that seems to be the 'norm' :-) or even better, make it possible for users to customize the shortcuts / keyboardcommands :-)

Thanks, Really looking foreward to the update!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on November 11, 2012, 12:37:09 am
There has been some focus on the UI.

Is there any new features for simple movements/coyp and grouping?

If I have to populate an office, it would be great if it was possible to group tables and chairs, and be able to rotate the them as a whole group. 

An other 'simple' feauture i miss, is beting able to select an object - or group - and copy it in perpendicular directions, eg. by holding SHIFT+CTRL down.

And just a suggestion, consider using some of the same short cuts that are used in other 3d programs, and that seems to be the 'norm' :-) or even better, make it possible for users to customize the shortcuts / keyboardcommands :-)

Thanks, Really looking foreward to the update!

+1 for all , stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: blake0b on November 12, 2012, 07:23:11 am
2 point perspective option for photos, to really represent an image as an architectural perspective
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 12, 2012, 11:20:43 am
Thanks for your suggestions and +1s, guys.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Michael Betke on November 12, 2012, 09:33:39 pm
Quote
2 point perspective option for photos, to really represent an image as an architectural perspective

Really +1 !!
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 12, 2012, 10:51:08 pm
Thank you for your +1, Michael (although I recommend that you and any other customers with commercial or educational licenses post your requests and +1s in the Wish List section).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: blake0b on November 13, 2012, 05:47:23 am
Carpark surfaces and road surfaces get very repetitive, would you consider tire mark tracks as decals, random oil spots, road patch repairs and other surface effects to add to the next Lumion? this will add more a more realistic surface for large carparks and long roads.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 13, 2012, 10:50:09 am
Hi blake0b, thanks for your suggestion.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: andreystrelkov on November 15, 2012, 08:20:48 pm
Google sketchup can rotate the camera in a certain way, this is achieved by pressing CTRL, the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON and moving the mouse itself.

Can I make a control of the camera in build mode?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on November 15, 2012, 09:57:20 pm
Google sketchup can rotate the camera in a certain way, this is achieved by pressing CTRL, the MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON and moving the mouse itself.

Can I make a control of the camera in build mode?

no go in lumion, as far, as i know. camera in lumion is always horizontal. i miss that feature , too, since flights are far more realistic with that in skp....
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 16, 2012, 11:24:08 am
Thanks for your +1s for a Rotate bank function for the camera in Lumion.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Machinimator on November 22, 2012, 04:52:11 pm
Hi Lumion dev. Potential customer here. Kudos to the focus on GUI and environment design fundamentals. Breathe of fresh air. Terraforming tool looks great. Beautiful waters and intuitive material assignment. Speedtree and GI very attractive new addition indeed. Yes I’m very interested...

My background is commercial music post-production. Making digital music video is my secret passion. I’ve outgrown iClone5Pro a year ago. Looked into Cryengine, still weighing the learning curve and time/money cost. By chance I found Lumion (from Artlantis forum and Twinmotion comments). Covered the latest here esp Wish List. Not sure if I’m your primary target audience or prosumer, but here’s my feedback... Hopefully via future mini updates or add-ons, these will be possible:

-Rigged character with Morph/Animation-loop Importation Pipeline (support for Daz3D models and industry standards)
-Higher res hair and lashes; Face morph recognition (Daz3D or Zbrush among others)
-Brush-on Vegetations and Paint On Terrain including user custom plant/textures
-Glass opacity control (a 1995 home design feature) and alpha mask support (allow architecturally relevant patterned glass panels)
-Saveable custom material/model/character with immediate access folder (a basic really)
-Road tool with customizable road/bridge/elevated road/rail pieces; similar fence-maker with custom parts
-A community custom material/object/character/animation sharing/trading scheme. Artlantis seems to have a better system for this. Do consider iClone style marketplace.
-iClone level hard/soft physics

I particularly like the “Emotional Connection” point, and the "Mr and Mrs Lumion" idea mentioned earlier in this topic. Muscle-weighted Cryengine res prototype characters and iClone type character animation will fill the evidently high demand for quality human models.

Thank you for your consideration. Regardless Lumion is doing great and moving in the right direction. Keep up the good works. I’ll be hanging around.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 22, 2012, 07:16:02 pm
Hi Machinimator, thanks for your suggestions and +1s (quite a few of your ideas have previously been suggested by other users).

-Glass opacity control (a 1995 home design feature) and alpha mask support (allow architecturally relevant patterned glass panels)

(This will be available in the upcoming Lumion 3.0)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on November 24, 2012, 12:43:09 pm
You need a few more badges Morten.   :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on November 24, 2012, 01:42:10 pm
thanks for your suggestion CRhoades  :D
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 24, 2012, 01:42:53 pm
Yeah, the Show/hide icons system is messed up at the moment.

I hope Arthur will get a chance to fix it soon, before all my icons break the internet.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: RAD on November 24, 2012, 09:04:24 pm
 :-D  HAHA
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on November 25, 2012, 08:44:26 am
Dear sir
we need Pressing down to earth.
Path is determined by a linear curve.
Where we have used in swimming pools.
We need to push down on the ground.
But aside land to be pushed down. We do not want that.
We found exactly the same region on earth vertical is pressed down.
Thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on November 25, 2012, 08:47:16 am
Dear Sir

If possible. An ability to identify an area by drawing a curve can be filled with water.
It can default to a rectangular area that is filled with water.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on November 25, 2012, 10:08:35 am
Dear Sir

If possible. An ability to identify an area by drawing a curve can be filled with water.
It can default to a rectangular area that is filled with water.

hi, you know, that you can design any form in your modeller, import to lumion and assign the water-material? this could help you for the moment..
regar stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on November 25, 2012, 11:21:24 am
hi, you know, that you can design any form in your modeller, import to lumion and assign the water-material? this could help you for the moment..
regar stan

thanks

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on November 26, 2012, 10:57:04 am
we need Pressing down to earth.
Path is determined by a linear curve.
Where we have used in swimming pools.
We need to push down on the ground.
But aside land to be pushed down. We do not want that.
We found exactly the same region on earth vertical is pressed down.

If possible. An ability to identify an area by drawing a curve can be filled with water.
It can default to a rectangular area that is filled with water.

Hi rezaiyan, thanks for your +1s for:
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on December 02, 2012, 06:40:39 am
HI

Do you offer suggestions that will be considered important or not?
I have a number of new suggest for lumion

1-please make any option for characters to change a color of clothing or skin or change clothing or add or remove any Thing to characters .


2-Because the program is not capable of displaying two-dimensional parallel. The ability to export
the revit program can provide. To get the desired output from the built-in applications must revit.

3- please make Character animation going up the stairs.

4 -please make a smart for cars or characters to Recognize Barrier Eg wall or character or ...

thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: tug on December 02, 2012, 05:48:57 pm
HI

Do you offer suggestions that will be considered important or not?
I have a number of new suggest for lumion

1-please make any option for characters to change a color of clothing or skin or change clothing or add or remove any Thing to characters .


2-Because the program is not capable of displaying two-dimensional parallel. The ability to export
the revit program can provide. To get the desired output from the built-in applications must revit.

3- please make Character animation going up the stairs.

4 -please make a smart for cars or characters to Recognize Barrier Eg wall or character or ...

thanks


agreed
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: darek13 on December 02, 2012, 06:51:15 pm
Batch rendering for video clips and images.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Zdenek Fajfrlik on December 02, 2012, 08:25:00 pm
Batch rendering for video clips and images.

.....with save and recall function with all parameters for this per picture / view........otherwise all views have the same light & co. - settings in the build mode.......right?
stan
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on December 03, 2012, 05:18:18 pm
Thanks for your +1s, guys (all of your suggestions have already been made by other people).

Oh and to those of you who are paying customers, please post your suggestions and +1s in the Wish List section ;)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on December 08, 2012, 05:06:14 pm
Hi
i found a bug in pic from lumion 3.0
It is exactly in the right side of the picture, the lower part, the flower pot.
The problem is: the wall is quite visible, despite the pot is in front of it!!!


http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Reflection3.jpg (http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Reflection3.jpg)
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i wish lumion make a new materials like vray materials
i wish lumion animation is smart
i wish lumion make a curve path of fire
i wish lumion make a particle Anything made ​​from a rain. For example, leaves or any objects.
i wish lumion is better than old

thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on December 10, 2012, 12:23:07 pm
i found a bug in pic from lumion 3.0
It is exactly in the right side of the picture, the lower part, the flower pot.
The problem is: the wall is quite visible, despite the pot is in front of it!!!

http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Reflection3.jpg (http://lumion3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Reflection3.jpg)
Hi rezaiyan, although it's kind of you to report bugs, this image was rendered and uploaded in September, long before the reflection effect was 'final' (or even made public).

To the best of my knowledge the example with the plant pot does look correct in Lumion 3. We have not had any reports like yours

i wish lumion make a new materials like vray materials
i wish lumion animation is smart
i wish lumion make a curve path of fire
i wish lumion make a particle Anything made ​​from a rain. For example, leaves or any objects.
i wish lumion is better than old
Thanks for your suggestions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on December 10, 2012, 06:14:44 pm
Hi
I make a model in revit
import it to lumion
add trees or people and others etc
then in my project i need to south west north and east and site plan OR Two-dimensional parallel
but in lumion is not any 2d views
you work older time  to solve this problem
But did not succeed because Some things can not be seen on the scene
But you accept that one of the things that are required in a project architecture.

Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on December 10, 2012, 06:54:44 pm
Hi rezaiyan, the developers are keenly aware of the fact that it isn't possible to create proper axonometric views + elevations and cross sections in Lumion.

Ferry actually carried out tests in April 2012 this year but was discouraged by the initial results.

Anything that relies on "projection" will not function correctly if you try to use an orthogonal camera, so the shadows and the ocean were no longer visible. There were other problems too, for example fog not working anymore, but I don't remember all of the details.

For now, your only option is to set the zoom factor to the maximum value.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on December 25, 2012, 07:36:11 pm
Hi
Please make option to material editor to easy pick e material from a model and copy it to another model like Eyedopper tool .
thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: ilwedritschel on December 27, 2012, 01:05:31 am
yeeee i need it too :7
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: thierry tutin on December 27, 2012, 01:20:32 am
very important
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on January 02, 2013, 08:04:02 am
Hi
please make an option for clip plan to cut Everything in its own layer Not the other layers.
For example, the tree in the first layer and structure in  the second layer.
We separate each layer is cut into the clip plan to go and animation.
thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on January 02, 2013, 01:48:17 pm
Hi guys, thanks for your +1s (both ideas have been suggested before).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on January 04, 2013, 06:59:34 pm
Hi
Why not stop pouring water fountain  on the ground surface and the water fountain can be seen on the lower floors. The water from the upper class to lower class break. This is a problem .
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on January 06, 2013, 06:35:55 pm
Hi
please test Sketch Effect In poster size render .
This quality of this effect is reduced in size.
thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on January 07, 2013, 12:15:49 pm
please test Sketch Effect In poster size render .
This quality of this effect is reduced in size.

Hi rezaiyan, this is not a Sketch effect problem, but rather a filtering problem in Print/Poster resolution renderings.

It has been reported a while ago and is already on the bugtracker list.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on January 07, 2013, 12:16:51 pm
Why not stop pouring water fountain  on the ground surface and the water fountain can be seen on the lower floors. The water from the upper class to lower class break. This is a problem .

There is currently no way to fix that. The same problem applies to the rain and snow effects when used indoors.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on January 11, 2013, 12:02:13 pm
Hi
Please create a new feature that many objects can be replaced with a new object by click on it.
thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on January 11, 2013, 01:43:13 pm
Please create a new feature that many objects can be replaced with a new object by click on it.

Hi rezaiyan, this is already possible in Lumion 3:
Context menu -> Selection -> Library -> Replace with Library selection

Current limitations:
- It is not possible to copy the properties from the objects you want to replace (e.g. lamps).
- It is also not possible to replace user-imported models with Model Library objects.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on February 04, 2013, 08:14:02 am
Hi,

this has already been suggested many times but not having this option is really bugging me.  |:(

i just want to suggest it for the future releases ( maybe lumion 3.5 or lumion 4 or 5 :P ) which is the ability or the effect of applying 3d grass to a surface and you can add the length option and the density maybe the colors ... etc  :-P

i need any hope that this might be implemented in the future. plz plz plz pretty please :D

i kinda had really bad time trying to put the built in grass on a rectangular surface but the grass model is circular so some grass was coming out of concrete :/ you know what i mean !
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on February 04, 2013, 11:11:17 am
Thanks for your +1.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: alizorro on February 04, 2013, 01:00:09 pm
Thanks for your +1.


you're welcome. but what does that mean ?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on February 04, 2013, 01:34:28 pm
It means that it has been suggested before.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: beatlerocker on February 04, 2013, 03:49:48 pm
My wish is to have your content to have some people with hard hats.  We use Lumion in the process mechanical industry and it would be nice to place someone that looks like a construction worker with a hard hat.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on February 04, 2013, 03:57:54 pm
Hi beatlerocker, thanks for your +1 for that idea (it's best to post this in the Wish List section though).

TIP: Did you know that you can get access to the whole forum (including the Wish List section) if you ask the person who manages the license keys at your company to go to your Account settings and enter one of the license key? 1 license key can now be used for multiple staff members, as a way to get full access to the forum, and we provide faster support in the Commercial User section of the forum.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: aleksa.santic on May 28, 2013, 04:05:04 pm
Library search would be nice. Lots of times I know the name of the model imported, but can't find it visually.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: virajvoditel on July 16, 2013, 01:51:45 pm
Hi

A suggestion: Lumion has simplified rendering a lot by making it more accessible, but I think the next natural step by you should be to enable cloud rendering, so that high quality renders can be produced even without too high system configurations and less waiting time. Maybe upload an ls3 to a Lumion server or something like that. Something on the lines of Autodesk 360's cloud render services.

Best of luck for future versions.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on July 16, 2013, 02:43:33 pm
Thanks for your +1s, virajvoditel and aleksa.santic (both ideas have also been suggested by other users).
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: FrederikW on November 19, 2013, 10:31:32 am
Hi.

I hope that you are all ears  ;)

- Copy + Paste, one element with the same rotation and height.
- Copy + Paste, material color - it seems like you have to name everything correctly from (revit, sketchup etc.) prior putting material colors on elements.
- Placing elements such as hedges, fences etc. with a "drop-and-drag" effect (just like placing walls in computer games).

I hope that this is something that you will find interesting and hopefully respond to.

Best regards
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacek Kwiatkowski on November 19, 2013, 03:23:58 pm
are there any plans to use dx 11 for Lumion3d instead of dx9 so we could take advantage of multi GPU setups ?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: TJS on November 19, 2013, 05:06:52 pm
As far as I know, it will require an upgrade from DirectX 9 to DirectX 11 to resolve the problems with transparent materials. An upgrade would also provide some functionality that would enable better terrain tesselation (more details) and some speed improvements along the way if multi-threading was implemented. The bad news is that it potentially could be a very time-consuming task with a long beta test period.

Nevertheless, I still hope the developers will consider taking the plunge over the coming year. I have seen some mind-blowing proof-of-concept demos made by one of our developers which would really take Lumion to the next level if DirectX 11 were to be implemented, so let's hope this is in the cards sooner rather than later.

DISCLAIMER: I am not implying that Lumion will definitely swith to DirectX 11 in 2013/14, I'm merely explaining what the pros and cons would be if the developers chose to do so.

PETERM:
One aspect on futures and developing in any change of DX is the impact on the product and team over the time, not only to develop but to cleanly incorporate in the product.  Whilst that happens, other features could or need to be put on hold for this base to be done, and it is often almost irrespective of resources thrown at it as well.  

That means users don't see much coming out of the factory, even after an initial release of something like upgrading to DX11/DX12.  The benefits are only noticed and gained by users much further down stream.

A quote from Morten & Peterm on a recent thread. There may be another thread that goes into more depth of DX11 development in Lumion.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: peterm on November 20, 2013, 02:55:47 am
are there any plans to use dx 11 for Lumion3d instead of dx9 so we could take advantage of multi GPU setups ?


Do you get multi GPU capability direct from DX11?
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Jacek Kwiatkowski on November 22, 2013, 10:49:27 am
I asked for dx 11 - becouse I do not want to switch from quest3d to unity - if Lumion gets dx11 support - I think that the forgotten group of people that still use quest3d might get another chance to show some interesting v-r projects...

I writing on this forum becouse, nobody from ACT3D replies on quest3d forum...

You made 4 versions of lumion since quest3d 5.0 came out, and I'm left with 2 licenses of quest3d  and bugs not fixed since  4.3...

I still think that Lumion is a great product, but quest3d used to be the same...

Everybody from Act was saying that Unity3d was a childtoy when it came out, but look were they got to...
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Arthur on November 22, 2013, 10:54:22 am
I asked for dx 11 - becouse I do not want to switch from quest3d to unity - if Lumion gets dx11 support - I think that the forgotten group of people that still use quest3d might get another chance to show some interesting v-r projects...

I still think that Lumion is a great product, but quest3d used to be the same...
The Quest3D project has been discontinued. There won't be any future versions, no matter if DX11 will be supported in Lumion or not.
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: peterm on December 02, 2013, 04:08:04 am
vuongthan

please see posts in new topic: Change Visual Settings (http://lumion3d.com/forum/general-discussion/change-visual-settings/)
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: BMcIsaac on December 12, 2013, 02:41:06 pm
This thread is 32 pages long....
It is time you changed it's name to....."Lost in Space".
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: rezaiyan on May 03, 2016, 10:01:40 pm
Dear Sir
Please add similar features that plug into Lumion .Such as interactive move and live in an environment with VR

http://enscape3d.com/

thanks
Title: Re: Wishes for future Lumion versions
Post by: Morten on May 03, 2016, 10:17:22 pm
Thank you for the feedback.