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Title: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on April 05, 2012, 12:11:36 pm
http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/ (http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/)
http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/rules (http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/rules)

Real-Time

This category is meant for any work that has been created using an application or plugin that facilitates real-time rendering AND user interaction. (Some examples of this type of software are Quest3d, Twinmotion, RenderLights, Lumion, Unreal Engine, etc.) Near real-time rendering engines like iray or QuickSilver do not qualify for this category.

Dates

/ Deadline for entries: May 19, 2012
/ Judging: May 25 to 31, 2012
/ Nominees Announced: June 1, 2012
/ Winners Announced: July 7, 2012
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Morten on May 14, 2012, 06:08:26 pm
Just a reminder about the upcoming deadline for the 2012 CGarchitect architectural 3D Awards.

The submission deadline is this coming Saturday (May 19 - 12pm GMT-6).

The winners will be awarded at the exclusive awards trophy at Mundos Digitales Conference 2012 in La Coruna, Spain and be given over $50,000 in prizes by the competition sponsors. The competition is open to everyone in the Architectural Visualization industry to highlight the best imagery, animations and real-time projects done in 2011/2012.

For more information and to submit your entry, please go to: http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/ (http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/)
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Aliki_N on May 14, 2012, 10:04:17 pm
Thanks Nicolasweh & Morten. Need some clarity, if you used lumion, then you can only submit under real time? If you submit under real time, then you can only submit as screen capture?

Regards,

Alickn
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Morten on May 14, 2012, 11:39:22 pm
Hi Alickn, all categories are open for Lumion submissions:
http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/rules (http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/rules)

Real-Time Submission Rules
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Aliki_N on May 15, 2012, 12:05:27 am
Hi Morten,

What I would like to clarify is the requirement to submit under "real time category" if your animation or render is done using lumion. Only screen captures are allowed in this category and not renedered animations??? Screen captures will not produce the same quality as rendered animations.

Regards,

Alickn
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: RAD on May 15, 2012, 12:17:47 am
Sounds right alickn.
Skewed for one to win.
But I think/maybe/possibly/(depends on who enters) one could place in the lower ranks if you had a mac daddy model.
real-time screen capture in movie mode...
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Aaron on May 15, 2012, 01:49:20 am
Bit strange that they qualify Lumion into this category then isn't it? If one must make a live recording then Lumion users are at a huge disadvantage from the start against full real-time engines like game-engines supporting realtime AA and even supersampling. The one thing that would remotely put Lumion on par with these are its post-effects but in order for them to work you enter the realm of hybrid real-time so to speak. Small chance I reckon this is allowed since one might argue any PP suit (AE, NUKE, Vegas) would also be fine then. Pity!
How did this go about last year? There were Lumion entries back then too right?
Anyone got a warning Post-Effects were not allowed?

Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: RAD on May 15, 2012, 04:10:23 am
allows everyone to see under the hood of the best programs in order to win though - right?

There should be a special category for Lumion and everyone else has to fit in with it's parameters.

Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Aliki_N on May 15, 2012, 05:57:53 am
Hi All,

I have checked some of the 2011 entries that were allowed under that category, they are indeed screen captures. However, from what Morten is saying, lumion users can enter under any category including "realtime presentation".  In other words, lumion and a few others, are the only applications that qualify you to enter any category.

Highlighting "Real time" category only by the two announcers at lumion forum, and listing lumion as an example under this category, created this confusion.

Hope this clarifies the matter.


Alickn
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Michael Betke on May 15, 2012, 10:14:37 am
You could enter in video cateory but although lumion looks good its not possible for a lumion movie to win compared to the submissions there.
for a good realtime presentation you would need a game-engine with post-effects during playback.
its a bit of a pitty and the reason why I also quit my submission there (again).
mostly realtime stuff wins there like argumented reality or other funcky stuff.
so we stick with special lumion contests around. :)
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 01, 2012, 09:17:21 am
1st of all, I would like to share my sincere well-deserved congratulations to Chuck Morgan and Lumion Software, to have been inside the nominees in the Realtime Category.
http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/nominees/show/11 (http://3dawards.cgarchitect.com/nominees/show/11)
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 01, 2012, 09:20:16 am
in 2nd place, I like to share my indignation with the very little serious CGArchitect decision, because seems to have decided to modified one of the most important rules of the Realtime presentation.
 
Real-Time Submission Rules:
"Submissions must be sent as QuickTime MOV or MP4 Videos. You should use a software like Camtasia or other screen recording software to record the interface and navigation through your real-time scene".



Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 01, 2012, 09:23:54 am
3rd, finally, I share the video with which I have presented.
I hope you like it and show the amazing capabilities of Lumion.  :-P
https://vimeo.com/43236501

And by the way, please, not misunderstand or do not seem to I want to campaign to discredit the competition CGArchitect only has puzzled me enough to note that not all presented to the class, had taken the rules as strictly as I do. It may be an upset for the commitment and enthusiasm that had, what they have seen in my video, comes out of 5 screen recording and a full day of work, no big deal.
Greetings. Nicolás
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Michael Betke on June 01, 2012, 10:04:56 am
I really like the projects which got nominated this year. The one from Dan Smith is probably the only one recorded in real-time. He used CryEngine3 for it and as far as I remember he did it last year.
All other projects are also very nice made. I think the Lumion project keeps a bit behind compared to the innovative presentation of the argumented reality and D-Day website. The D-Day stuff is awesome but in my impression its not what I think of "real-time".

With this mix of nominees we see that its a bit difficult to define what is real-time because the border is blurring. Is Lumion real-time if you generate a mp4 and only then movie-effects apply? Is CE3 real-time because you have best visuals without the need to record a movie?
Then maybe a GPU render-engine is also real-time because you have instant feedback and navigation. ;)

Very difficult to answer. For me the CE3 project is the only real-time project. Recorded with maximum visual fidelity as a capture-frames movie. We see that game-engines are still superiour because they record this degree of quality with 2sec/frame on a high-res up to 4000px wide.     
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: RAD on June 01, 2012, 12:45:55 pm
Nice work Nicolas.
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: BMcIsaac on June 01, 2012, 01:38:35 pm
Architectural..?...last years image/winner as posted above has nothing to do with arch-vis...great image for sure but??

This competition is just foolin itself..not a level playing field at all..they are not sure what the rules mean.....and there are many ways to cheat....not sure what they feel they are accomplishing that furthers arch-vis.

Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: billet323 on June 01, 2012, 03:18:58 pm
Architectural..?...last years image/winner as posted above has nothing to do with arch-vis...great image for sure but??

This competition is just foolin itself..not a level playing field at all..they are not sure what the rules mean.....and there are many ways to cheat....not sure what they feel they are accomplishing that furthers arch-vis.


I find the above statement true in most competitions.
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: renderman5000 on June 02, 2012, 01:27:04 am
Thanks for the congrats...

So the first entry was timelined in crysis, then he basically hit play and recorded it live?  It's been a while since I've played with that engine.  The camera paths are so smooth I'd be surprised if they were actually controlled live by a user, same applies for the DOF.

Nicolás, nice work there.  Did you animate the sliding doors via 3dsmax and import the FBX?

I read the rules as a strong suggestion to use screen recording, but not a true requirement.  At the end of the day, I think most of us here and hopefully the judges realize my animation closely matched the live capabilities of Lumion.  I guess I could have played the movie scenes within Lumion and recorded that, but then the resolution and AA becomes 'inferior' using the movie player.

Maybe a full screen movie player should make the wishlist...even without AA.  I like the idea of adding effects and showing that to a client without saving the animation.

Chuck

Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Derekw on June 02, 2012, 01:53:06 am
Hi Nicolas,

Thanks for posting your entry. I can see how much work went into making it. Simply amazing!
I also understand your frustration with the 'so called' rules of entry. Anyway, we all appreciate your efforts here!

Regards Derek
Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Aaron on June 02, 2012, 04:33:49 am
So the first entry was timelined in crysis, then he basically hit play and recorded it live?  It's been a while since I've played with that engine.  The camera paths are so smooth I'd be surprised if they were actually controlled live by a user, same applies for the DOF.

Yeah. CE3 has a pretty nifty build-in trackview editor so that's how he did this for sure.
I'm not sure he recorded it RT either. He could have just rendered it out in just about
any high-resolution too.

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I read the rules as a strong suggestion to use screen recording, but not a true requirement.  At the end of the day, I think most of us here and hopefully the judges realize my animation closely matched the live capabilities of Lumion.

Really? I'm always completely amazed by such statements  :)
I couldn't disagree more here. The capabilities of Lumion its RT component, meaning either
Build mode where you can't have post-effects, or Theatre mode which slows everything but
a simple scene down to a crawl and produces sub-standard quality screen-recordings at best,
couldn't vary more from it's true excellence in outputting rendered footage. Just my opinion
of course. Also in no means meant to disrespect or discredit your effort (which is superb),
I hope that's clear.

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Maybe a full screen movie player should make the wishlist...even without AA.  I like the idea of adding effects and showing that to a client without saving the animation.

You know you can already do this via Theatre mode?
Just press the play button from within the movie-editor, press the Theatre mode button
and you get a life preview fullscreen, all bells and whistles included.
It's way too slow, has tons of jitter, very mediocre AA but I suppose its still useful  ::)

I reckon the rules have to be adjusted and made a bit more clear.
The nominees show RT as a totally grey broadband where just about anything goes.
This is good for the mixture, bad for a lot of other things.
Since I'm not depending on Lumion for money, I really don't care to submit or not
but I can understand the frustration of someone not entering based upon following the
guidelines then finding out he could have done so anyways because the rules are so
flexibly interpreted, they might have just as well not been there at all.
I feel very sorry for Nicolas!

Title: Re: 3d Awards CGarchitect / RealTime Presentation
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 04, 2012, 08:25:35 pm
What happend with the rules!  :o :o

Hi Nicolas,
How did we break any of our rules? All of the nominees used either a real-time app or interface to interact in realtime.
Cheers,
Jeff Mottle
President/CEO
CGarchitect Digital Media Corp
www.cgarchitect.com (http://www.cgarchitect.com)


Jeff, I hope no offense to make known your point of view. Good luck in Coruña ;)