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Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: madmax2000 on December 15, 2010, 07:56:48 pm
You've probably explained this already but here I am asking again.....sorry about it

 

If I have a model called "House 1" in Sketchup and I export it as a Collada file with the same name, work on it in Lumion and save it ....If I change the original "House 1" skp. file, how do I bring the changes back into Lumion without having to do the whole thing all over again?

 

Please let me know, great program Laugh!!
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ola Stian on December 15, 2010, 11:48:32 pm
You just export the file out again with the same name, and then you reload the mesh (arrow on right side) in the edit material menu. Sometimes

there is a problem if you have removed faces etc from file but I`ve found out that if you just reload one of the textures used on the imported model everything comes back as it was before. Hope that helps you out. 
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ferry on December 16, 2010, 09:36:57 am
Remember that your put it in the SAME location as the original file.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: madmax2000 on December 17, 2010, 07:08:52 am
Thanks! I will try it!
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on December 17, 2010, 09:27:49 pm
When importing from sketchup i am having an issue when reimprting the model.  Seems everytime i reload the model, it fouls all of my material designations.  Here is a breakdown of the workflow:

Created a new scene, import sketchup model as a collada .dae file, apply material changes in Lumion.  When i notice there is a problem with the model, i go back into sketchup, work the file changes there (sometimes adding new materials), re-export a new collada .dae file to the same location, click the reload model/ materials in lumion, and the material designations are all wrong.  Some textures are in locations they should not be, some rotated, some OK.

Am i missing a step?  Should i try to export to a different format?  Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to provide.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ferry on December 17, 2010, 10:05:25 pm
This is fixed in the update. Are you using the update 1 beta or original?
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on December 18, 2010, 02:55:22 pm
I am currently using update 1 beta, although it was happening in original as well.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ferry on December 18, 2010, 04:19:19 pm
Can you try pressing reload twice?
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on December 18, 2010, 04:28:10 pm
I tried but no luck.  Had the same problem on different models, just to make sure it was not specific to the one main model I was working in.  Hope his helps, let me know if you need me to try or test something else.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ferry on December 18, 2010, 04:48:43 pm
The old problem had to do with reload. If that is not the case how you can help is is to get me two models. One original and one that after reload is wrong. Emailing them would be best. I am planning to update Lumion on tuesday.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on December 18, 2010, 10:29:38 pm
I sure can send the files.  If u want to PM me the details of what exactly I want (sketchup, Lumion, or both) and where I should send; I will gladly send you information tonight.  Thanks.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on January 05, 2011, 03:19:07 pm
Seems the issue is dealing with components and groups in Sketchup to Lumion.  An example of the name of a material could be "Wall Paint"; when the file imports, it treats some of the materials with "Wall Paint" as a separate material.  So when i try to edit the material in Lumion, it will say "Wall Paint" for one of the materials, then when i choose another, it might be "Wall Paint (1)" even though it is the same texture.  I think this is the issue i am having when i try to go back and forth from Sketchup to Lumion.  Have you thought about the potential of developing a Ruby Script for a Sketchup exporter?  You would then be able to have the file export the exact way it would need to be to properly inserted to Lumion.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: See3D.be on January 05, 2011, 04:33:10 pm
Its important when you paint excisting materials you take them from "In Model" and not from the library again. This will be in SketchUp even be a new materials even its the same, so its an 'issue' in sketchup, not lumion nor exporter
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on January 07, 2011, 12:54:13 am
Well,  we tested with a small model.  It was basically a desk and chair that was copied to replicate a student classroom.  It was just the tables and chairs, no walls ground or anything.  We took out all of the materials and minimized it to 3 in the Sketchup file.  We purged any materials that looked like they were hanging around, then purged the model from the "Model Info" dialogue.  We then "Fixed Error" from the model info dialogue as well.  We exported the model in Collada format, 3ds format, and even adjusted perimeters within each of those exports.  Still the same issue.  We then thought it might be an issue that one of the textures was just a color and nothing else, so we adjusted that texture to actually have a material assigned to it in Sketchup.  Still no luck.  It would randomly pick certain tables or chairs and make a separate material.   

AN example would be i select a metal table leg from one of the tables, and it would select maybe 10 of the 16 legs.  The others would be a seperate material.  These were elements that were made and then copied to create 16.  Please let me know if you have run into this issue, or if there is another way i can troiubleshoot to help.

 

Thanks,
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on January 13, 2011, 04:51:11 pm
Just a poke to see if there has been anyone else that has run into this issue, could it be a graphic card issue?  Really a big problem on my end being that we are working on complex interiors and exteriors.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Morten on January 13, 2011, 04:55:52 pm
Please send the SketchUp scene (incluing any textures) to Artur *at* quest3d.com – he'll take a look for you Smile
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on January 13, 2011, 05:09:15 pm
Thanks for the quick response, file sent.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: cpercer on January 13, 2011, 05:28:11 pm
I have experienced this issue, but with an FBX exported directly from Revit 2011.  My understanding is that this occurs due to MentalRay materials.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Architectural Innovation on January 13, 2011, 09:56:30 pm
Brian and i have been experimenting with different export method from sketchup in an attempt to have each material grouped throughout the entire model, by material, so it only needs one edit to adjust a material everywhere in the model. So far, we can not achieve this for some reason.

We have tried .dae and .3ds to no avail. I like the .3ds format better because the material names are preserved on import (.dae files rename materials to numbers) but the problem still exists. if one material named "Aluminum" was used in different groups and/or components, Lumion may end up having "Aluminum1" "aluminum2" and so on for some reason. It is frustrating and is not allowing us to very simply tweek the SU file and reload to Lumion because some material settings get lost on re-import as well as the name problem with materials.

Kerkythea's export from Sketchup works very well no matter how many nested groups or components are in the SU and it creates a very neat .xml file. The Su plugin is called SU2KT and can be found on Kerkythea's website.

 

Is it possible that Lumion can accommodate importing .xml files?
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Morten on January 14, 2011, 09:40:52 am
We're well aware of the problem and obviously it shouldn't be this much of a hassle for you to import/reload models from SketchUp. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the result of Artur's investigation! Smile
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on January 21, 2011, 09:51:21 pm
Just a poke to see if this was addressed in the release today.  I imported the model file i sent to you, and it still has the same issue.  Not trying to rush you, just kinda an FYI.
Title: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ecuadorian on January 21, 2011, 10:07:10 pm
I did the same experiment. Clicked "reload" on an imported model and some materials went black. I use dthe trick of "creating a new material" and all materials became OK. After that, I have tried making more changes in SketchUp and reimporting several times, including adding new models with new materials, and it has worked fine so far.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: chip on April 05, 2011, 07:01:51 am
This has also been a big problem for me. I get very inconsistent results when updating and reloading a model. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's so inconsistent that I can't figure out what is going on. The only thing I know for certain is that conponents and groups are the worst. This makes it very difficult to work in SU, since I have to explode all components and groups, I need to keep a seperate export file so I don't mess up my modeling file. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to get all the way to the end of setting up in Lumion, only to find one problem that requires a reload. Then I'm back into setting up the materials all over again. ARRRRRRRGH!!!!!

What can be done?

Also, sometimes groups make it impossible to select a material. The material selection seems to really need some work.

Windows 7 home using 64 bit with a I7, 8GB memory and an ATI Radeon HD 5770
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Ferry on April 05, 2011, 10:00:49 am
Maybe other SU users can shed some light on this issue? I am not sure if the DEA file itself has a problem that can only be solved in SU or that importing is going wrong.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Proso on April 05, 2011, 10:14:06 am
I have the same issues. In Sketchup I always work with groups. When I export to collada and import it into Lumion all the materials become black or the textures get mixed up. Sometimes it doesn't happen. I also had a problem with faces that disappear. When I explode everything, the problem is solved.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: tug on April 05, 2011, 01:55:11 pm
Proso, the faces dissapears 'couse it are as backface in SU. Check it
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Proso on April 06, 2011, 09:19:15 am
Proso, the faces dissapears 'couse it are as backface in SU. Check it
Thanks for the tip. Normally I check all the faces in the model. The strange thing was that the faces where oriented in the right direction. Ungrouping solved the problem in this particular issue.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: tug on April 06, 2011, 04:23:01 pm
Hi Proso

These last versions of SU working with some plugins (specially those sculpt's plugins) disoriente the faces when you do some 3D operations. Take care with this issue, 'cause it will become in problems in Lumion.

One solutions is ungrouping or exploding the SU's models, right!!, but if you need some changes later it could be a little boring working with thousands of triangles.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Artur Brzegowy on April 08, 2011, 12:48:08 am
Hi Proso,
I hope we found the way to import files from SU without "Explode" scene.

Could you send me your example file (as small as possible) with the issue?
Then we will make sure that everything is ok now.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Proso on April 08, 2011, 10:36:09 am
I just send you the file, hopefully you can solve it.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Artur Brzegowy on April 09, 2011, 12:48:05 am
Hi Proso,
Thank you for your file. It works perfect on your scene.
So issue seems to be fixed and it will be released in Update 2.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Brian Hengelsberg on April 09, 2011, 02:58:40 pm
This is fantastic news...we have run into the problem now and again |:(, and worked around it.  I cant express how fantastic your support has been for this product.  I am eagerly anticipating Update 2.0!
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Artur Brzegowy on April 10, 2011, 09:48:08 pm
Hi Brian,
Do you have any file with this issue to send me to test?
If yes, send me please.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Back and forth from Sketchup
Post by: Proso on April 11, 2011, 09:59:03 am
Great news! That saves me a lot of time and frustration, thanks a lot.