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Title: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 14, 2011, 01:10:18 pm
 :D Jeje.
Remko congratulations.
You are the best.
As has improved with tonemapping!!!
Thanks for your Development.
You have raised the bar for Lumion.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: jordan230 on June 14, 2011, 08:06:26 pm
Nice work Nicolas!! the tonemapping rocks!! are you using vivid or contrast for tonemapping?
What settings in general are you using?

Regards Jordan
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 14, 2011, 08:35:05 pm
A little Magic Bullet Looks + Sharpness, the credit goes to Lumion.
(Almost forgot, the sun may be more of sunset, the sun as high as the screenshot, the image inevitably tends to burn.)
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 14, 2011, 08:53:40 pm
Hey Nicolas, Why are you posting all those Vray renders on the Lumion Forum?  :-D
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: jordan230 on June 14, 2011, 08:54:18 pm
Thank for the info, the atmosphere looks phenomenal, are you in Lumion Ultimate? which package did you recommend the most, I am still deciding which is the best one...... ???
 I agree with you, the renderings are getting close to a Vray rendering, I hope the interiors and lighting will come soon!!!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: EarthMover on June 17, 2011, 10:12:02 am
Gorgeous model and great renders.  With a touch of post process, those are definitely on par with some of the better raytrace engines.  Hands down a better output than any other "realtime" solution, from any other competing software team.     Although still a few clicks off from photoreal....however the time gain makes it easy to overlook the slight inaccuracies.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: gabrielefx on June 17, 2011, 01:36:45 pm
Beautiful renders considering that they are generated in realtime and you can do infinite variations.

I suggest to you a plugin called HDR Efex Pro, it changes the look of 3d renders very well.

Regarding Lumion Vs Vray probably you don't know this video...;)

The Third & The Seventh (http://vimeo.com/7809605)

Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 17, 2011, 01:58:58 pm
Yes Gaby, anyone that makes 3d, knows to Alex Roman. He is a continuous inspiration.
Of course Lumion is not best than Vray.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 17, 2011, 03:47:11 pm
Regarding Lumion Vs Vray you probably haven't seen this!:

Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: gabrielefx on June 17, 2011, 03:49:16 pm
Regarding Lumion Vs Vray you probably haven't seen this!:



yeah!...my private Boeing 747!

in Alex Roman video there is a jet that pass over the sky..it's real a video...but it would be nice to have 3d airpalnes in Lumion that fly in the sky with vapours generated by the engines...

In Lumion Ultimate is possible to parent a smoke generator?
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 17, 2011, 03:58:50 pm

In Lumion Ultimate is possible to parent a smoke generator?

Unfortunately no, not yet.
Right now you can't even move an emitter.
Here goes praying the devs will see the incredible amounts
of opportunities once that's in the works  ::)
Perhaps as part of the animation plugin? Would be sweet for sure.

Oh and this?

Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: RAD on June 17, 2011, 08:43:22 pm
@gabrielefx  - Alex Romans videos are super amazing. 
Thanks for sharing this one for all who have not seen it.

Reflections - Reflections - Reflections.  They are spot on which adds SO much.
Amazing textures are another big thing in his videos.....just beautiful.

Those pics are great Aaron.  That is one Bad CAT!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: See3D.be on June 17, 2011, 10:57:52 pm
we are getting close...
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: RAD on June 18, 2011, 12:12:29 am
All about finding those "sweet spots"
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 18, 2011, 01:25:29 am
we are getting close...

Always suprises me how, sometimes, you need next to nothing for a really nice render.
Love the last one!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Pete Stoppel on June 18, 2011, 01:34:26 am
Some great results here, any way to save out the settings and share as presets? if not, there really should be.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 18, 2011, 01:38:33 am
Excellent suggestion Pete. Would you mind throwing it into the Wishlist section of the forum?
Pretty sure something equivalent has already been proposed at least once but alas,
things do tend to get lost in the clutter from time to time.
Sharing presets via a online depository for instance would be golden!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: RAD on June 18, 2011, 01:41:11 am
Being able to save some environmental settings once you find sweet spots is needed too.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: jordan230 on June 18, 2011, 07:22:44 pm
Beautiful renders considering that they are generated in realtime and you can do infinite variations.

I suggest to you a plugin called HDR Efex Pro, it changes the look of 3d renders very well.

Regarding Lumion Vs Vray probably you don't know this video...;)

The Third & The Seventh (http://vimeo.com/7809605)



Just playing around!!!
HDR does makes a difference, I agree with you gabrielefx!!  See example
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Michael Betke on June 18, 2011, 07:54:42 pm
Lol guys. This thread can't meant be for sure. Post this on the Vray forums and you will get the right response. The tech isn't even comparable. It looks nice. but Lumion doesn't even look as realistic as some game-engines out there.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: EarthMover on June 18, 2011, 08:49:39 pm
All the great Vray works you see have been worked over heavily in post processing, usually photoshop or after effects.  A little post process can go a long way with a lumion render as well.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Aaron on June 18, 2011, 09:10:45 pm
Lol guys. This thread can't meant be for sure. Post this on the Vray forums and you will get the right response. The tech isn't even comparable. It looks nice. but Lumion doesn't even look as realistic as some game-engines out there.

Of course  :D I think one should take all of the Vray-looks comments with a mild smile.
We could also state it doesn't even hold a candle to Vray. Yet Vray also doesn't
hold a candle to Lumion on some accounts already! I reckon both are true.
Everyone here knows it but it's just nice to toy with the idea from time to time.
Perhaps one day we will see photoreal renderings become a reality on the GPU in Realtime.
I bet we will. Perhaps one day Lumion will have the light quality of the UDK without the need
for a baking session of 24hours, then finding out you forgot to set a flag somewhere, and do it allover again. You got to admit though, for a DX9-only engine, without GI, the results Lumion can produce
are getting better and better! Keep in mind this is Lumion at .6 years old. Now imagine Lumion
celebrating its 1st birthday ;-)

Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: jordan230 on June 18, 2011, 09:12:37 pm
I agree with Michael, Vray and Lumion renderings are not comparable, but for someone like me that do not have any training in 3dmax/vray, I feel that Lumion is amazing and the rendering results are acceptable for Architectural presentations. Also the time saver is another issue in the architectural world .... learning curve and deadlines. What you could do in in seconds( rendering time) in Lumion , it will take you hours or even days with other softwares. That is huge in the Architectural world.

Like Earthmover said, just a little bit more of post processing and the render improves its final quality. I use the metal ray render engine that comes with revit and I think Lumion  renderings  looks 10 times better, except for interiors stills.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: jordan230 on June 18, 2011, 09:18:14 pm
@ Aaron:

lol ....0.6 years old, and it is already amazing............... just imagine when Lumion is 5 or 10 years old...Lumion on steroids!!!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Nico RVArq.com on June 18, 2011, 11:11:06 pm
A consultation, generally prefer the first image that has upload Earth or the second?
Lumion certainly come as the image is PP, I performed these contrasts and effects to make it like the image above.
I wonder commented 2 people with some post-production can be improved by referring to the PP image.
Is that I'm screwing with the retouching?
You prefer the one below?

Without underestimating your work Earth
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Frank on June 18, 2011, 11:47:25 pm
we are getting close...
Very nice stills.
Can you please-please pretty please post the settings of weather and of the used effects of the last three ones (SP2)?
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: gabrielefx on June 19, 2011, 09:46:05 am
the Earthmover color correction is perfect!
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Michael Betke on June 19, 2011, 12:58:22 pm
I think it's not a good way trying to match a CG rendering. But mathcing a photo reference is a better approach.

If you try to match a CG you try to match a copy with a copy with a copy leading to less reality everytime you try to match it. I've read an interesting article about this but can't find it anymore.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Remko on June 19, 2011, 10:52:06 pm
Beautiful renders considering that they are generated in realtime and you can do infinite variations.

I suggest to you a plugin called HDR Efex Pro, it changes the look of 3d renders very well.

Regarding Lumion Vs Vray probably you don't know this video...;)

The Third & The Seventh (http://vimeo.com/7809605)



If you watch the making of video you'll see how little is actually done by vray. The input vray image is not really that special but this guy has some serious skills in aftereffects. It's amazing to see what he can create from so little. I think it's his skill shining in the images and not so much vray. I dont think lumion even comes close to vray to be honest but for now but it's a great alternative. Our goal is not to approach vray or reality for that matter, we just want images that 'work'. Sometimes a realistic image can do the job and sometimes an artistic approach works. I think we can expand in both the realistic end of the spectrum as the creative end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: RAD on June 19, 2011, 11:02:01 pm
If you watch the making of video you'll see how little is actually done by vray. The input vray image is not really that special but this guy has some serious skills in aftereffects. It's amazing to see what he can create from so little. I think it's his skill shining in the images and not so much vray. I dont think lumion even comes close to vray to be honest but for now but it's a great alternative. Our goal is not to approach vray or reality for that matter, we just want images that 'work'. Sometimes a realistic image can do the job and sometimes an artistic approach works. I think we can expand in both the realistic end of the spectrum as the creative end of the spectrum.

Aftereffects - thanks for this insight Remko - helpful indeed.
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: Remko on June 19, 2011, 11:15:06 pm
Check it out:
Exeter Shot -- Making Of (http://vimeo.com/8217700)
Title: Re: SP2 better than VRAY
Post by: RAD on June 20, 2011, 01:19:49 am
Nice Vid link Remko.  Check out one of Alex Romans' favorites.  I see your balloons!

TimeScapes: Rapture (http://vimeo.com/16369165)