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Save Movie not working?
« on: October 02, 2012, 02:28:51 am »
October 02, 2012, 02:28:51 am
Hi all,

I am a very new Lumion user and still havent spent too too many hours practicing on it.  I am working on starting my own Architectural Visualization company and exploring this as an alternative to Max or Blender or any of the other very intense programs I dont have time to learn....

So on to my issue, I have made some models and scenes and am trying my luck at saving/exporting movies....  So far im not having luck.  |:( It was taking forever to save a movie out so I was getting scared that maybe this program, while being fast at real time, was just like all the others and took days to save movies. 

But then I set one to save overnight and when I got back it was still trying to save (computer still working) but it hadnt progressed at all after 8 hours and was projecting 400+ hours to save.  I really really hope my program is messing up and maybe I just need a fresh install?  Or do I have some setting wrong?  Or is my computer, while good for still rendering, not fast enough for this?  Specs are:

XPS 730, Intel Core2 processorQ9550 (2.83GHz,1333FSB) w/QuadCore Technology and 12MB cache, I installed 8Gb ram, and it has a NVIDIA Geforce 9800 video card. 

Any help would be much appreciated!!  And if anyone with the Lumion team would be willing to message me back and forth on some questions I have before I decide to purchase please let me know I would really appreciate it. 

THANKS!!!   -Paul-                :-D




Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 07:05:03 am »
October 02, 2012, 07:05:03 am
Your video card is on the low end in terms of performance, thats the main criteria to performance with Lumion for rendering.  See FAQ: LUMION 2: Minimum hardware requirements about hardware and specs and where your card falls in the list.

I had a 9800 GTX and it wasn't too bad with version 1 but that also depended on the scene and other settings.

Other things that affect render time include size and complexity of scene, what are your render settings, 2Star 3Star?, what and how many video effects are you using, effects such as smooth edges gives great quality but costs in terms of render time, but you cna adjust also the quality setting, etc etc. 

There's some hints in the FAQ forum section also LUMION 2: How to reduce render times.

Also in terms of hardware, you could do with something better than a poor old Core2, and are you running Win7 64 bit or XP?

Just a few of the many things you need to consider.

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Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 03:23:09 pm »
October 02, 2012, 03:23:09 pm
Peterm, thanks for the reply, I understand what your saying, and yes I'm scraping by on my core 2 from three years ago.  I'm running windows 7 64, I just was curious if it sounded like just a performance issue since it was predicting 400+ hours, I wasn't sure if it sounded like a program error.  But I am getting a new laptop so I guess once I get that I'll be able to test it.

Could anyone post a few example movies(our link me to them) but that have real specs for it such as actual movie save time was?  Thanks again peterm and anyone else who can help.

Paul

Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 06:02:18 pm »
October 02, 2012, 06:02:18 pm
Hi Paul, for comparison, you could upload your scene + library files somewhere, and ask a few select forum users with high-end graphics card to render it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 08:13:22 pm »
October 02, 2012, 08:13:22 pm
Hi Paul, for comparison, you could upload your scene + library files somewhere, and ask a few select forum users with high-end graphics card to render it.

Morten, thanks!!  Great Idea.  I will put one together, as of now I have been doing tests with real client projects so I will build my own and share and see if anyone can help me out that way.  Again thanks for the idea!

Paul

Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 12:16:53 am »
October 03, 2012, 12:16:53 am

Could anyone post a few example movies(our link me to them) but that have real specs for it such as actual movie save time was? 

The Gallery section of the forum has lots of examples from users and often their specs and times to render are included (required info for the posting).  Every render scene is different though.

You may find it useful to do your own test type benchmarking using the Lumion Sample scene Alpine House which is not too demanding and see what sort of render times for different video settings you get.

Another thing that significantly impacts on render times is use of lights.

Workstation preferably over laptop as most laptop GPUs are not in the same power bracket as workstation although there are one or 2 at the top end.

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Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 04:50:18 pm »
October 03, 2012, 04:50:18 pm
Thanks Peterm I will try that.

Also here are the specs of the computer I am buying, does this seem like it would handle ok?

Alienware M18x

 Processor:
3rd Generation Intel® Coreâ„¢ i7-3840QM (8MB Cache, Overclocked up to 3.8 GHz)   I73840Q   1   [319-1455]   2
 
 
 Operating System:
Windows® 7 Ultimate, 64bit   AW71U6E   1   [421-5830]   11
 
 
 Memory:
16GB (4 X 4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 at 1866MHz   16G184D   1   [319-1142]   3
 
 
 Hard Drive:
256GB SSD SATA 6Gb/s   256SS   1   [342-4399]   8
 
 
 Video Card:
Dual 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 675M - SLI® Enabled   SGTX675   1   [320-3264]   6
 
 
 Wireless Networking:
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 2230 With Bluetooth 4.0   N2230   1   [430-4708]   19
 
 
 Optical Driver:
Slot-Loading Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)   DVDRWRX   1   [318-2002]   16
 
 
 Audio:
Creative Sound Blaster Recon3Di with THX TruStudio Pro Software   IHD51   1   [318-0770]   17
 
 
 Display Panels:
18.4 inch (467.36 mm) WLED WideFHD (1080p) display (1920 X 1080)   WFHD9B   1   [320-3263]   5
 
 
 Primary Battery:
96WHr 12-Cell Primary Battery   12CBATT   1   [312-1333]   27
 
 
 

Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 12:05:39 am »
October 04, 2012, 12:05:39 am
  Video Card:
Dual 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 675M - SLI® Enabled   SGTX675   1   [320-3264]   6

The only thing that really matters, if its only or principally for Lumion.

What's the performance/Passmark compared to others?
 
A GTX675 sounds pretty powerful, and a standard workstation GPU it is, but the corresponding mobile GPUs are like 50% to 100% less in performance, the product vesioning/naming is somewhat misleading.

It would handle OK I suppose, so how does it compare with guidance provided by Morten for min hardware requirements ie where in the range does it fit?

Question is, is that the way to go?  All depends on budgets of course, but its maybe worthwhile to consider:

1. looking at configurable laptops rather than stock standards, not sure if your Aleinware is or not, I think you can configure or configure from some supliers, otherwise the buyer fits into the configurations that maximise the suppliers profit per unit rather than meeting the buyers specification requirements

2. getting as high-end a card as possible.  After all, its going to be an investment, and as most laptops, even these days, are still difficult or impossible to update for GPU's, then the purchase needs to be looked at in terms of "in a year or 2 or 3, am I still going to be happy with how fast this thing is?"  Maybe its worth the pain of spending some extra now for something with a longer useful life.

3. are there other mobile GPU's that might be as cost effective? seems the Radeon is still much faster (at least in Passmarks) and priced nicely compared to the GTX, however I did see recently that one of the new GTX 680s? was now comparable to the top end Radeon, but benchmarks still shows it way down the list.

Other forum users may have different views and suggestions.

The above are comments only, disclaimer etc etc on any discussion regarding views on hardware or performance etc.  :-D

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Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 12:29:52 am »
October 04, 2012, 12:29:52 am
Peter, thanks again, great info and I appreciate the time you are taking to help me, and please do understand this is like my last effort at gaining knowledge, I have spent the last four days researching everywhere and it seems like everyday something changes in the game to totally through me off....  technology is great but the next day you feel like you wasted your money since something new is coming out....

Anyway, many things are confining me to order from dell, just personal and financial reasons, but this is just about the maximum perormance you can get, i mean there are a few ridiculous things like an upgrade for $1000 processor, and $1000 for dual GTX 680s that I didnt choose, but I think I am close to a conclusion.  And I have heard from IT people that Radeons may perform faster but have poor support and NVIDIA cards are just stronger and more reliable....   anyway, all comments and points taken well and appreciated, thanks again!!

Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 03:56:01 am »
October 04, 2012, 03:56:01 am
Just to add to the blur, theres a new topic about a new laptop from MSI with what appears to be a (finally) decent GTX (at least for realtime stuff), http://lumion3d.com/forum/general-discussion/in-this-notebook-lumion-must-be-a-plane/

Yes, GTX are preferred, at least for Lumion, but sometimes some other factors affect things.

Whatever the decision, you know that tomorrow will bring new hardware and what you get is basically obsolete, so its how well it gets used that matters.

ps: Lumion cant use dual GPU's so ignore any sales pitches for those sorts of platforms, unless you are going to use it for gaming as well.
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Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 06:23:57 pm »
October 05, 2012, 06:23:57 pm
Two things, A) I was finally able to get a movie to save, took about 12+ hours with my sorta outdated machine and a very small scene...  but I will do a WIP post and see if anyone else wants to test my model and see what their computer can do.  B) I just ordered a new laptop yesterday specs are as follows:


Alienware M18X R2

3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3840QM (8MB Cache, up to 3.8GHz w/ Turbo Boost 2.0)

32GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz

18.4 inch (467.36 mm) WLED WideFHD (1080p) display (1920 X 1080)

2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M

256GB Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s



I think I will be happy, I will definitely do some tests and post results when it gets in because that is exactly what I was looking for before I ordered....

Thanks again everyone, its good to know this awesome program has a good following!!

Paul


Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 12:53:50 pm »
October 09, 2012, 12:53:50 pm
Looks like a real beast, Paul - I'm sure everyone will be curious to hear what the performance is like.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2012, 09:13:54 am »
October 10, 2012, 09:13:54 am
Alienware M18X R2
2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M

I see the MX18 has various configs, standard being a Dual GTX675M.  Havent been able to determine from NVidia specs if that a dual processor or 2 cards SLI, but for same price you get the 680M which is much better performance and defintely 2GB dedicated to the same band.

wow! and you can get 32GB mem

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2012, 07:40:18 pm »
October 10, 2012, 07:40:18 pm
Thanks Im pretty excited to get it and try it out!!

And Peter, yea I went back and forth between the dual cards, and even thought about the dual Radeon 7970 crossfire because it scored higher in the benchmark tests...  but a couple IT people I talked to suggested I stick with Nvidia for support and drivers etc....   In the end since dual cards didnt help here I decided to start with the single 680m, seemed like the best price/performance option I had...  We shall see cant wait!!!!!  I feel like a kid again...  haha

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Re: Save Movie not working?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2012, 09:12:03 pm »
October 10, 2012, 09:12:03 pm
Read my topic on the Samsung laptop I just pruchased in the General section. I am running a Alienware Area 51 right now as my desktop and it runs Lumion just fine with the 1 gig card and 12 gigs ram.

So, back to your first question. Why is Lumion taking so long to save a movie file. I have a couple of suggestions.

1. How many lights are inserted into your scene? You have to adjust the lights to the lowest setting or each light will have to render on every frame.

I was getting results from 2-3 days rendering time down to an hour after I turned all the lights down. There is a thread Morton has on this in more detail.

2. Stars - I usally render out my first animation at 1 star to see how long the process is going to take. This will give you a great base on the final rendering / animation time.

3. 30 frame per second

Hope this helps, it saved me hundereds of hours by adjusting the light cache.


Chris