Author Topic: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.  (Read 37605 times)

Michael

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2014, 08:08:59 am »
January 31, 2014, 08:08:59 am
I think asking for better output quality is a valid request, despite Babe showing us what's possible when you max out Lumion. Some of our clients are real estate businesses. They are usually happy with exterior Lumion scenes, but commented on interiors they looked "like a computer game from my kid". Clients and cases may vary, but in mine it means I can't sell Lumion interiors to them. As there were no noticeable advances in output quality going from V3 to V4 we put upgrading on hold.
But from a business viewpoint I tend to understand how ACT3D works. They use their DX9, may I say technologically more than a decade old, engine and add features to create sales. If it works for them, fine, and as clients we get to choose. We can choose speed over quality (Lumion) or quality over speed (Vray et al). I guess to many the holy grail would be in between. There is a gaping hole in the viz-market to fill.
I think ACT3D's sales would soar if the engine were upgraded to match at least current gen DX11 based game-engines, not to mention implementing some of Nvidia's latest advances in real-time lighting. I also think there is no need to consider older GFX-hardware in the development process. Compared to what Lumion Pro costs, the hardware investment to keep speed high despite much better image quality is fairly negligible.

stucki

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2014, 09:51:30 am »
January 31, 2014, 09:51:30 am
I think asking for better output quality is a valid request, despite Babe showing us what's possible when you max out Lumion. Some of our clients are real estate businesses. They are usually happy with exterior Lumion scenes, but commented on interiors they looked "like a computer game from my kid". Clients and cases may vary, but in mine it means I can't sell Lumion interiors to them. As there were no noticeable advances in output quality going from V3 to V4 we put upgrading on hold.
But from a business viewpoint I tend to understand how ACT3D works. They use their DX9, may I say technologically more than a decade old, engine and add features to create sales. If it works for them, fine, and as clients we get to choose. We can choose speed over quality (Lumion) or quality over speed (Vray et al). I guess to many the holy grail would be in between. There is a gaping hole in the viz-market to fill.
I think ACT3D's sales would soar if the engine were upgraded to match at least current gen DX11 based game-engines, not to mention implementing some of Nvidia's latest advances in real-time lighting. I also think there is no need to consider older GFX-hardware in the development process. Compared to what Lumion Pro costs, the hardware investment to keep speed high despite much better image quality is fairly negligible.

i absolutely copy that !!

Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2014, 10:59:26 am »
January 31, 2014, 10:59:26 am
We can choose speed over quality (Lumion) or quality over speed (Vray et al). I guess to many the holy grail would be in between. There is a gaping hole in the viz-market to fill.

You're right.

I don't know if DirectX 11 is a silver bullet as such, but it would make certain things easier to implement, for example proper 8-bit transparency with depth sorting as well as automatic mesh tesselation.
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IdeaImmagine

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2014, 04:53:26 pm »
January 31, 2014, 04:53:26 pm
+1

robertobatista

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2014, 05:19:56 pm »
January 31, 2014, 05:19:56 pm
I think asking for better output quality is a valid request, despite Babe showing us what's possible when you max out Lumion. Some of our clients are real estate businesses. They are usually happy with exterior Lumion scenes, but commented on interiors they looked "like a computer game from my kid". Clients and cases may vary, but in mine it means I can't sell Lumion interiors to them. As there were no noticeable advances in output quality going from V3 to V4 we put upgrading on hold.
But from a business viewpoint I tend to understand how ACT3D works. They use their DX9, may I say technologically more than a decade old, engine and add features to create sales. If it works for them, fine, and as clients we get to choose. We can choose speed over quality (Lumion) or quality over speed (Vray et al). I guess to many the holy grail would be in between. There is a gaping hole in the viz-market to fill.
I think ACT3D's sales would soar if the engine were upgraded to match at least current gen DX11 based game-engines, not to mention implementing some of Nvidia's latest advances in real-time lighting. I also think there is no need to consider older GFX-hardware in the development process. Compared to what Lumion Pro costs, the hardware investment to keep speed high despite much better image quality is fairly negligible.

Well, Artlantis pretty much fills that gap. It's one of the fastest ray-trace rendering engine and the quality output is up to par with Vray if you max it out. If anything, Act 3D should use Artlantis as an example instead of Vray.

amanbrw

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2014, 09:11:41 pm »
February 16, 2014, 09:11:41 pm
iz it mine work babe  :) ::) ;) u must be knwn hw can i use as proffesional evn iz it old r new..

speed777777

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 10:07:22 pm »
February 16, 2014, 10:07:22 pm
Some of our clients are real estate businesses. They are usually happy with exterior Lumion scenes, but commented on interiors they looked "like a computer game from my kid".


i think you can get a little better quality than that.  :)

cheers shaun

http://vimeo.com/cornerstoneprojects/review/73063654/c08cc5cb23

Daman-Lechtenberger,PC

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2014, 05:57:06 am »
February 18, 2014, 05:57:06 am
Speed vs quality is not really Rt rendering is it? The time to do a Vray video at 4:30 per frame would be 4x60+30x13 frames per second. A 60 second animation would take 26.25 days to render out. At that pace someone would have a render farm and be able to use several nodes to append it up, or farm it out. Vray is one of the better rendering engines out there along with vue, maxwell, artlantis just to name a few. But they are no where near the RT than lumion has.

I have been working with lumion now for over a year and we did not upgrade due to the fact that the software is game like, but we still use it every day. The "best" part of lumion is the ability to landscape the model in a matter of seconds. The quality of the trees are incredible and the exterior lighting and shadows are far better than what Vray can touch, we'll let me put it another way, lumion is a modeling and rendering tool, includes the ability to also produce animations very quickly.

We have lumion rendering on billboards, we have had animations on the local tv stations. The quality is there you just have to know how to manipulate the program for interior shots. I have been working months just on lighting and shadows.

I too look forward to seeing lumion advance in the quality of outputting real type images, I would call this more of a movie while I now tell clients that it is a animation. This clears a lot up front as I am not selling them a movie. We are the perfect fit for lumion because our CAD department can work with the software and it's not over their head. Vray takes hours to get the correct settings, mapping materials, ect. The last Vray animation I did took 12 hours for a meer 30 seconds and that was not even 720p.

One of the best options I can give right now is that in an interior shot think like a movie set. Set your scene, cast multiple light down on each object, use up lights, and turn the sun off. You have to create the environment and the more lights you can use the better the shots will be. Use the camera f-stop and adjust the DOF. Shut one eye and look around and take in what you can really see

That's my goal in my next renderings and animations.

Serget704

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2014, 09:27:40 am »
February 18, 2014, 09:27:40 am
Thanks for sharing!  :-P

BABE™

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PLEASE IMPROVE
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2014, 10:20:30 pm »
February 18, 2014, 10:20:30 pm
had to share this recent release of a Vray-Tutorial

How long would this RED ROOM take to set up & render in lumion ?
when a 3 star render in Vray would take approx 25 HOURS.


http://www.evermotion.org/tutorials/show/7823/3dsmax-ies-light-in-vray

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robertobatista

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2014, 10:31:53 am »
February 19, 2014, 10:31:53 am
I don't think we should focus how long it takes to set up the Red Room, but how do we get Lumion to render the same quality as Vray. Cause at the end, that is what our clients want.  

michaelholt

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2014, 10:33:55 am »
February 19, 2014, 10:33:55 am
yep! robertobatista:
+1

robertobatista

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 10:34:24 am »
February 19, 2014, 10:34:24 am
One of the best options I can give right now is that in an interior shot think like a movie set. Set your scene, cast multiple light down on each object, use up lights, and turn the sun off. You have to create the environment and the more lights you can use the better the shots will be. Use the camera f-stop and adjust the DOF. Shut one eye and look around and take in what you can really see

That's my goal in my next renderings and animations.

I'm curious to see the results. Keep us posted....

Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 11:27:21 am »
February 19, 2014, 11:27:21 am
how do we get Lumion to render the same quality as Vray.

If it was easy, it would already have been done :)
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s133zy

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Re: Please improve the output quality of Lumion.
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 12:54:49 pm »
February 19, 2014, 12:54:49 pm
Its simple, you make a bad quality vray render! Case Solved and closed!