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ralph2d2

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lumion on a laptop?
« on: June 29, 2013, 11:00:45 am »
June 29, 2013, 11:00:45 am
hello,
has anyone exerience using lumion with a laptop?
Any laptops that burnt down after rendering 20 hours a movie?

I am thinking to buy one with one of that videocards:


GTX 780M:
- nVidia Geforce GTX 780M 4096MB GDDR5

GTX 770M:
- 3072 MB GDDR5 Nvidia GeForce GTX 770M

is there a difference between GTX780 and GTX780 "M"? i didn t find any better gaming laptops about 2.100,-€. Anyone who has a recommendation, or where to look?

is there anything else i have to know, difference between laptop and normal workstation?

thank you
best regards
ralph

Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 02:18:42 am »
June 30, 2013, 02:18:42 am
I don't have a laptop,  :'(, but if did would opt for the top of line in performance (assuming I had the budget).

The choice between desktop and laptop comes down to:
1.  cost: more bang for $ from desktop than laptop
2.  performance: definitely more power from desktop
3.  use, convenience and mobility requirements

The ideal is to have a good/best performing desktop for final rendering and a laptop to help with mobility and presentation to clients (although its not really much of an issue lugging a desktop to a client either  ;) ).

Have not heard of any situations where Lumion users have overheated their laptop causing a burn-out due to rendering.  As most modern GPU's have temperature control and shutdown, any burn-out would be due to user not taking care with heat and ventilation issues of the laptop.

Expect though, for final highest quality renders, especially at 3Star with lights etc, for some renders to take overnight or longer, but render times can also be managed in Lumion through a number of choices about the scene.

M based cards have reduced performance to fit in to the power consumption specs of a laptop so a GTX780 is going to provide a lot more performance than a GTX780M.  See the specs on NVIDIA, number of cores and bandwidth are much less for the M.

Whether that has any impact depends on the nature of Lumion scenes and the amount of final rendering required.

A GTX780M may have similar power to a desktop GTX770, well more like a GTX760, so it comes down to the mix as mentioned above. 

See also other comments in topics: please search for laptop or NVIDIA etc, there are lots of topics although some are not in the guest forum section.

Please see: Passmark: Videocard Benchmarks.

In any consideration of a PC/laptop, please give due consideration to our hardware guide on the forum at LUMION 3: Minimum hardware requirements, and the official info on the Lumion web site - Specifications.

Also, each new version (and updates) can sometimes provide more features that may have a cost of additional processing to run, for example the soon to be increase in Reflection Planes in Lumion 3.1.1.  This means then that like all things, the more power you can get for the budget or if you can extend the budget now rather than in future, the better off you should generally be.

Does the 780M come with 4GB, as the 780 standard memory is only 3GB?


ralph2d2

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 10:17:01 am »
June 30, 2013, 10:17:01 am
Hello peterm, Thank you for your detailed answer,

the gb ram for the graphic cards sometimes are different for the Same product. 2, 3 or 4 gb:
i must have a closer look at the small printed descriptions
now i ll probably choose the GTX 680m, it s the m card with the highest Level in the bechmark list, and cheaper than 780 or 770. You can buy it with 2 or 4 gb ram in a laptop, 2gb 15 Zoll 1300,-, 4gb 17 Zoll 1800,-
I need it because i have to be very flexible...
i ll tell you how it s working....
lol best regards ralf

Daman-Lechtenberger,PC

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 09:40:06 pm »
June 30, 2013, 09:40:06 pm
Ralf, I have been using a series7 Samsung notebook now for 6 months. I would use this as a base and move up from there. If I had the extra $$ I would upgrade again as I hit about 5fps in build mode with a complex model. I can take the resolution down and stars in the settings and adjust about everything I need and move them back to check final adjustments.

Heat with my setup is the biggest concern. I make sure the notebook is elevated and turn off the monitor, make sure it's plugged in and let the CPU do the work.

Ecuadorian

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 10:36:39 pm »
June 30, 2013, 10:36:39 pm
I'm also very interested in this subject. I want to keep my desktop for final rendering of animations, but also get a laptop for Working on SketchUp on clients' offices, and maybe even do some basic Lumion output, such as still images. I don't expect to be able to render movies on a laptop.

Any recommendations available on Amazon?

This might sound crazy, but how about a Macbook Air or a Macbook Pro? (With Bootcamp, of course)

Xtreme-L

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 10:46:16 pm »
June 30, 2013, 10:46:16 pm
so which remains the best solution for desktop in highest Level list, and cheaper one for L?

Daman-Lechtenberger,PC

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 07:23:09 pm »
July 01, 2013, 07:23:09 pm
For a Laptop, and I like Toshiba, I would use this as a base and move up limited to budget.

http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=2000098978

I think this is one hell of a buy and upgradeable. I also still like my laptop but I don't think you can even get it from Samsung anymore.

I have a Alienware Area 51 I use as my desktop and I am getting ready to throw a titan into that box.

I think anything that is designed for the latest Gaming boxes that are mid to high end will do well with Lumion.

Any Laptop can be used with Sketchup limited to how large the model is. On my laptop I get around 5 frames in buildmode. You can adjust the settings as noted before.

The item you have to watch is he video card, Lumion likes the Nvidia GTX and I think it struggles with any other cards out there like ATI.

My 2 cents

Ecuadorian

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 10:11:54 pm »
July 01, 2013, 10:11:54 pm
csmckillip, that was simply a fantastic recommendation. Thank you!  :-D

ralph2d2

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 08:17:36 pm »
July 09, 2013, 08:17:36 pm
hello peterm,

now i have:

MEDION ERAZER X7821 MD98244 Gamer Notebook 43,9cm(17,3“)/Core i7/128GB SSD/GTX 680M/Full-HD with 2 gb ram graphic and 16 gb ram for the system

and its working so good!

the gtx 680m goes like hell: (i think for passmarks the best for laptops?)
I open at the same time:
after effects (which takes a lot or ram), indesign, archicad and lumion and he his still rendering 4 time faster than my dell workstation

the ssd for booting and programs takes 5 seconds to start windows8, 5 seconds for lumion to start and 5 seconds to load the most complicated model i have from "oma jussie library"

and you have a kind of extra "airsystem": just press a button and theres more cooling, till now no problems.

the best is the dolbysurround system: watching your example videos and projects
with water-sound coming from left or right, whereever you are in lumion,  when you re sitting in front of th laptop...between the speakers
i can imagine now how pc-games-addicted people must feel


cheers ralf


http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/medion+notebooks/medion+erazer/medion+erazer+x7821+md98244+gamer+notebook

ralph2d2

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 08:25:50 pm »
July 09, 2013, 08:25:50 pm
and i forgot


in build mode: for the biggest worst model i have in best quality 100% about 10fps

66% quality: 15 fps




for a normal model like in your examples: 35 fps


average system speed: 6300 in the start window of lumion


ralph2d2

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 08:27:09 pm »
July 09, 2013, 08:27:09 pm
and this biggest most worse model: took 40 hrs to render 30 second of movie on dell - now only 8hrs

Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2013, 02:10:05 am »
July 10, 2013, 02:10:05 am
Hi ralph2d2

Wonderful feedback on the new hardware.  It's great for everyone to get such first hand experience from other users.  Many thanks.

The 780M would presumably have given more performance, but I suppose still new for laptop market and pricing would be main issue.  Anyone looking or recently jumped in and bought a laptop with 780M?

Ecuadorian

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2013, 03:24:17 am »
July 10, 2013, 03:24:17 am
I'm also curious... Haven't found any on Amazon.

My ideal laptop would be:

-Nvidia 780M
-One 256GB SSD. No need for another drive.
-Any new Core i5 or i7
-8 or more GB of RAM
-Available on Amazon or any other US-based online store that accepts international credit cards.
-Preferably Toshiba, HP or any other brand with worldwide warranty

Unfortunately Toshibadirect won't accept international cards.

ralph2d2

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Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 08:18:59 am »
July 10, 2013, 08:18:59 am
i only found:

graphics with maximum 4 gb
peter, on the ranking 780m it has less passmarks...than 680m..?!??


680m with 4 gb:
http://www.amazon.de/HeidePC-HPMS1762-680M-Ziffernblock-Audio-Schnittstelle-einschlie%C3%9Flich/dp/B008C0P9K6/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1373436485&sr=8-11&keywords=notebook+gtx+680m


780m with 4 gb:
http://www.amazon.de/One-Notebook-Haswell-i7-4900MQ-BluRay-Brenner/dp/B00DB3MLGY/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1373436843&sr=1-2&keywords=notebook+gtx+780m

these "heide-notebooks" look totally the same like the cheaper medion notebooks....as i can see now no difference

type in in amazon:

"notebook gtx 780m"

Re: lumion on a laptop?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 11:07:22 am »
July 10, 2013, 11:07:22 am
peter, on the ranking 780m it has less passmarks...than 680m..?!??

Hmmm, perhaps the Passmarks need more test results, or the base system tested had some other differences that impacts.

From the NVIDIA specs the 780M should be faster as it has more cores, faster clock and better memory bandwidth.