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Jeremyltw

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Looking for advise on hardware
« on: April 03, 2016, 04:27:44 pm »
April 03, 2016, 04:27:44 pm
Hi there,

Recently, my company has been doing some rendering and we are looking to upgrade our hardware.

Currently, we are looking into two options :

1) Obtaining a hardware along these lines

HP Z640 Configuration
CPU :Intel Xeon E5-2660 v3 2.6 2133 10C 1st CPU
RAM :32GB DDR4-2133 (2X16GB) 1CPU Registered Ram
Graphic Card : NVIDIA Quadro M6000 12GB DL-DVI(o)+4XDP
HD : HP Z Turbo Drive G2 512GB PCIe 1st SSD
HD :2TB 7200 RPM SATA 1st HD

Or

2) Getting an alien ware spec along the lines of

CPU : i7-5930k
RAM 32GB DDR4
Graphic Card : 2X GTX 980 Ti SLI
HD : 512 GB SSD
HD : 2TB 7200 rpm

and renting an online server to perform rendering.

We have realized that the biggest issue we have is firstly the time it takes to prepare for the rendering and animation due to the huge file size. Our sketchup filesize is about 200mb with 10 towers of office blocks.

Was wondering if anyone had any recommendations, that would be great.

Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2016, 07:14:05 pm »
April 03, 2016, 07:14:05 pm
Hi Jeremy, which version of Lumion are you using?
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Jeremyltw

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Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 03:42:41 am »
April 04, 2016, 03:42:41 am
I believe my colleagues are using Lumion 6.0

Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 07:19:37 am »
April 04, 2016, 07:19:37 am
Hi Jeremyltw

OK, thanks for the enquiry.  Hope they are enjoying and producing some great visualizations with their Lumion v6 product.  By colleagues, do I gather you are therefore in the IT side of the organisation?

You will see at the forum a good number of questions about suitable hardware for Lumion.  Some are in the Guest Sections, the rest in the section for Licensed user members.  You are welcome to register one of your colleagues licenses' to gain access to those extra resources, it does not have to be the user only.

Anyway, in reply to your query:

Please refer to:
1. LUMION 6: System requirements

2.  Lumion Web Site: Specifications.

3.  Passmark: Videocard Benchmarks.

also:
Web site Guide: Hardware for Lumion.

The SketchUp model size and indication of scenes suggests the team are working with Very Complex to Ultra Complex Scenes as mentioned in this article: Which graphics card do you need?

As most of the rendering and onscreen work is done by the graphics card, we would generally suggest looking at 'gaming' based PC's.  The reason is simple, they tend to be better optimised for the leading edge graphics rendering that Lumion does.  Xeon/Quadro based hardware is 'workstation' based with cards for CAD/vector based environments.

Either can perform much the same as the other, and we do have many members with Quadro based PC's, including M5000 and some with M6000's.  A main difference is in the cost point in both the Xeon CPU's compared to i7's, and in the graphics cards Quadro compared to GTX.  For example, a NVIDIA Quadro M6000 has a Passmark of 10271 with price US$4999.  Compare that to a GeForce GTX TITAN X (as it has the same memory of 12GB) 10850 for US$1,470, or the GeForce GTX 980Ti at 11607 price US$600 (6GB).

Xeons are also have a similar price difference.

You might also want to compare the i7-5960X for any advantage over the i7-5930k.

If the hardware will be sharing work with other CAD, then you may find that (excluding cost) that the Quadro is the way to go.  If it's mainly to create and render Lumion scenes, then it seems reasonable that you only need to look at the GTX cards.  That said, we also have members who find the GTX works equally well with their CAD software.

The rest of the specifications on either option look fine with 32GB of RAM and a good sized SSD drive.

For the meantime, please make sure Windows 7 (64 bit version) is installed on the PC or PC's: refer our Knowledge Base Article: Why do you recommend Windows 7 instead of Windows 8 & 10?.

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Graphic Card : 2X GTX 980 Ti SLI
Lumion is not able to use 2 cards in SLI, so the second one would only be useful if there are two monitors and the user runs other applications off one card to one monitor, and Lumion off the other card to the other monitor.

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and renting an online server to perform rendering.
One of the advantages of Lumion is that it does not require render farms.   :)  :-9

Hope that gives you some pointers to work with, and does not confuse the choice of options (too much  :-D).

Any further questions, please post.

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Jeremyltw

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Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 04:49:38 pm »
April 06, 2016, 04:49:38 pm
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the advise.

Yes I'm part of the IT team.

I'm very much for the i7 and GTX specs. The thing is I'm also using this PC for 3DS Max. However, I'm planning to couple this with an Amazon cloud rendering which means I'll use mainly this PC for material assignment and other scene preparation with minor rendering works before posting this to the cloud and perform any other rendering for either software of course.

So, it's a matter of convincing the IT Management if this is the way to go....

Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 04:59:46 pm »
April 06, 2016, 04:59:46 pm
However, I'm planning to couple this with an Amazon cloud rendering which means I'll use mainly this PC for material assignment and other scene preparation with minor rendering works before posting this to the cloud and perform any other rendering for either software of course.

I don't think any body has ever rendered movies with Lumion via Amazon Cloud. Does Amazon Cloud let you rent an entire PC with a GTX graphics card? If so, have you got a link to the specs?
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Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 09:55:33 am »
April 07, 2016, 09:55:33 am

Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 10:27:00 am »
April 07, 2016, 10:27:00 am
Thank you.

I should mention that Lumion does not support 'remote desktop' applications, e.g. the GRID-based XenServer (see this Knowledge Base article for more information), so while you might be able to start rendering processes on the Amazon Cloud instance, we know from experience that camera navigation, moving objects etc will be a hit-and-miss affair due to the lag.

I'd still be curious to hear if rendering MP4s works, so if if you get a chance to test it, please keep us in the loop.
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metalex22

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Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 02:13:34 am »
April 15, 2016, 02:13:34 am
Hi, I thought I'd add a reply here for what its worth. The quadro cards are very capable for day to day tasks but DO NOT invest in one if its main task is running Lumion.

I work for a tier 1 practice here in Australia and we use Quadro 4000 cards as standard. However, my personal computer has a GTX 780 card and is considerably quicker for Lumion. If you need any specific advice I would be more than happy to take the discussion offline.

Regards,

Alex

Re: Looking for advise on hardware
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2016, 03:58:54 am »
April 15, 2016, 03:58:54 am
Thanks for the feedback Alex.

Which version of Lumion do you work with?

Indeed, the Passmark of the GTX 780 is 8019 which has a better performance rating than a Quadro 4000 including both the 4000, K4000, M4000 (Passmark 6420).  The GTX 780 has 2304 cores compared to the top M4000 Quadro with 1664 cores, so there's more processing units to work with.  However, there's some Quadros that also perform better than other GTX cards, for example the M5500 or M6000, but of course they also cost a lot more.