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comparison of antipodes
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2011, 11:15:14 am »
January 11, 2011, 11:15:14 am
Believe it or not but TwinMotion couldn't have been released at a better time, and there's no doubt that it has made us even more determined to make Lumion your top choice for architectural visualizations. We are well aware of the Lumion vs TwinMotion pros and cons, and you could probably also mention that the TwinMotion guys are better at marketing than us (their website and videos for example look lovely and the testimonials from architectural practices help build confidence in their product).

As a first step, we'll soon be introducing a Gallery section on the actual Lumion3D website (not just in the forum) where we would like to feature the best still renderings and videos – I can't believe how much you've managed to produce in so few weeks, not just test renderings but final production quality visualisations for your clients, and we hope to see much more of that in the future Smile

And lastly, as we already mentioned, all your suggestions are extremely useful and really help us shape the direction that we're going in, so keep them coming, guys!
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newman

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2011, 01:15:01 pm »
January 11, 2011, 01:15:01 pm
Thank You zinoarchi It is really that reaction I counted on!

newman

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2011, 01:42:27 pm »
January 11, 2011, 01:42:27 pm
Good intention, Morten. I understand you are on the start of long way and you need in big finances for a big work. So i can't explain to my colleges why you realize so strange politics in demo and education licenses field. I can not make any end product in demo (may with logos) and I can not try full education version to make recommendations to use the program for my students (my e-mail was shelved)

freez

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 01:36:38 am »
January 26, 2011, 01:36:38 am
Coming into this conversation a bit late, but thought would add one other comparison and that's to do with platform required on first user experience.

I have a PC with Win7(64bit), quadcore, 6GB RAM and NVidia 9800GTX.  So the card is below the recommended base card for Lumion.  For Twinmotion, my specs are above minimum of what's needed.  Will upgrade definitely to a 470 or above, but given what I have, these are a few things I encountered.

First time round in various tests using Lumion I was able to create a scene, even if limited from the trial version, render to movies and take screen shots.  The renders were slow (but still faster then DCC rendering), unless had settings low but nonetheless they worked and looked good.

In Twinmotion it took about 15 minutes to open their building demo scene.  I tried rendering out the building only and gave up, it just went into no-mans land.  Tried exporting the building to exe, just the building, it exported but ran so slowly as a 3d realtime viewer that I gave up and haven't been back since.  If the renderkiller is because its a realtime 3d output which is what they are trying to market it as, and it can't even play a basic building with nothing else in realtime, and its already in version 2, then sorry, unless they have made substantive improvements since its release, then the only thing it is killing is my decision to make use of TM. 

Not trying to flame, and OK my PC specs are bit on low side and TM has other features, but simply given Lumion worked out of the box, in realtime with heavy scenes and at real performance, is a really good starting point for me.  I'll give TM more tries but in meantime can be productive with Lumion.

Ferry

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2011, 09:27:31 am »
January 26, 2011, 09:27:31 am
We tried TM with a 480 GTX and adding more objects to the scene also that became so slow you couldn't work.

Martin

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2011, 09:58:29 pm »
May 06, 2011, 09:58:29 pm
Hello,

I just want to say anything about your marketing and the twinmotion marketing, i prefer yours, because it's not so agressive agains the other, and what you say is what you did!

I've tested twinmotion at the begining and after i've done a standalone with twinmotion, this s***ty software just erased the hard drive where i've export the data for the stand alone.

So, i'll never buy twinmotion; 2500€ for a hdd formating tool, it's to expensive for me!

I think your solution is more affordable and more adapted on our workflow, i already have autocad for modeling and Lumion for presentation! (it's my chef that buy it)

Don't worry the marketing and the price will kill them.

Martin.

ps: my coworker said that the only points that are for twinmotion is the rendering quality, the scene hierarchy and the material configuration the rest is useless, all tools are more full of bugs than other, and the animation tool in tm is the bigest BIiiiiiiiiiiiP he never tryed.

Brian Hengelsberg

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2011, 10:10:12 pm »
May 06, 2011, 10:10:12 pm
In reality, all one has to do is look at YouTube or Vimeo and search for Lumion and then Twinmotion.  I see 0 examples of work for Twinmotion except for the work produced by the creators, and their explanation of how great the software is.  The Lumion search shows real work is being completed, and the relatively short learning curve the software allows.  So when comparing the software, i would think real usability would be the ultimate goal.  Lumion wins at this point hands down.  All the flashy marketing means nothing if you can not reproduce the result as a user...my 2 cents, but i am biased as i am a Licensed user of Lumion ;)

Aaron

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2011, 11:37:55 pm »
May 06, 2011, 11:37:55 pm
So if I understand you correctly you're saying you can now format your drive when working in Twinmotion?
Like 'Oh hell...f**k this, I'll never be a great designer, let's just quit while we're ahead!' *format c:*
Bit strange but kinda cool I suppose.
Like Brian comments, the lack of work examples always mystified me but with this undocumented feature now disclosed it makes perfect sense.

Martin

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2011, 06:05:31 pm »
May 07, 2011, 06:05:31 pm
Yes, twinmotion erased my data, when i've exported a standalone, it's a shame!

The support send us a mail begining winter 2010, that said their was a big bug in the demo version, but it was to late for me, so bye bye twinmotion, never see it again!

Martin.

Aaron

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2011, 06:54:11 pm »
May 07, 2011, 06:54:11 pm
Thanks for your invaluable feedback Martin!
We've updated our success-stories page to reflect your experience.
Hope you like it!



Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2011, 05:51:21 pm »
May 11, 2011, 05:51:21 pm
Holy cow! I hope we never make a screw up like that! I feel sorry for them (and you of course :D). Mistakes can happen but formatting your drive? That's crazy. I never heard of anything like that before.

We wanted to make something useful with Lumion so that's the number one priority for us. Many features will be added as we move along but we think it's important to have the essential things first.

When you build software it's really difficult to focus on the essential things instead of adding all these cool new ideas you have in your head. For every user on the forum there's list of personal priorities. Our job is to take note of all those and come up with a strategy.

I think we've been quite successful in making a useful tool. You can see it on the forum, on Youtube, etc.. great new material is created every day. We will be adding new features, improve quality and even more awesome movies will be made as a result of that.

I'm quite satisfied with Lumion where it is now, only half a year after release! What's more important is the speed at which we move. I can only dream how Lumion will look in one year :D My fingers are itching to create all the things we have in mind for 2.0.

Martin

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Re: comparison of antipodes
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2011, 09:35:51 pm »
May 12, 2011, 09:35:51 pm
Hello,

It's totally what happend to me, with a keyboard exploded in the wall!

At this time, i've understand why they've wrote in the license that they aren't responsible on any damaged caused by the software.

Do you think they tested twinmotion before sell it?

For what i need to do, Lumion is totally adapted : import 3d models, modify materials, make all beautifull and make videos; i don't need more; all models are done in AutoCAD (where i work)!

I was thinking about all this story : one test from twinmotion, traumatized me for the rest of my life, erased my hdd and indirectly killed one keyboard : to much colateral damage!

For your team, i'll hope you will sell a lot of Lumion 3D and exist a very very very long time.

"Natural selection" will work for you!  ;)  :D  })

Martin.