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Architectural Innovation

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First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« on: February 23, 2012, 09:44:31 pm »
February 23, 2012, 09:44:31 pm
First Night Animations - FINALLY!
Small clips at 1280x720.

Still working on environment and animation entourage, effects, etc.
Working with lights has not been that bad once i got going and acclimated.

Bob






Robert A. Christman

Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 12:27:00 am »
February 24, 2012, 12:27:00 am
Nice.

I like the last one with the shot coming first from the moon view.

ATTRIUM

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 07:30:19 am »
February 24, 2012, 07:30:19 am
It´s very nice!
great lighting!
dont forget to hide the "moon walkers". On the second video there is some people walking and going nowhere.

Architectural Innovation

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 04:39:02 pm »
February 24, 2012, 04:39:02 pm
Thanks.

Yah, im just getting to the entourage stuff now. populating with trees, people, etc.

funny, we call them "moonwalkers" too.

bob
Robert A. Christman

cbcarch

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 04:56:31 pm »
February 24, 2012, 04:56:31 pm
Looks great! Maybe a few more lights? It still seems a bit dark overall.

A couple of questions:

How many lights are in the scene, and how is performance ( say, compared to a daylight scene)
when creating renders and animations?

And what hardware are you using?

Nice work!

Architectural Innovation

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 05:46:52 pm »
February 24, 2012, 05:46:52 pm
right on...i have lightened the scene a bit. thanks.

How many lights?
about 87 right now
- some spot, some omni

performance has been fine. it does seem to take a bit longer to produce the highest quality animations that i like to do but i have been doing 1280x720 tests of those short clips around an hour or so i wanna say??? i should have paid attention.

i am using this ORIGIN PC:

taken from this discussion:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/index.php?topic=1479.0


Researched custom build shops like ava, alienware, falcon northwest, cyberpower, etc.
ended up choosing ORIGIN PC based on the reviews i found. They are a newer company that formed from 3 ex-Alienware execs.

We were getting down to crunch time and none of us here are hardware gurus but i think this will meet our needs for LUMION.

very good sales experience with ORIGIN PC. very helpful. sounds good so far...

i went with the 3gb gtx 580 graphics card because it is the most powerful single core card right now and LUMION only uses one core...or something like that   as mentioned above

let me know if u know anything different though. please feel free to scrutinize. i really enjoy learning the details when i can.
8-10 days to build, 4 days to ship from florida.

ORIGIN PC, Genisis:

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         SATA 6Gb/s,)
         Processor: Intel Core i5 2500 3.30GHz LGA 1155        $30.00
         Quad-Core Processor (6MB L3 Cache)
         System Cooling: High - Performance Air Cooling        $65.00
         Thermalright Venomous X CPU Cooler
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         Graphics Card: Single 3GB GDDR5 Nvidia GTX 580       $531.00
         Memory: 16GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600Mhz (4x        $172.00
         4GB) Dual Channel Memory
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         16MB Cache HDD
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         Hard Drive Four: None                               Included
         Optical Drive One: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)     Included
         w/double layer write capability
         Optical Drive Two: None                             Included
         Audio: 8-channel High Definition Surround Sound     Included
         Support
         Networking: Onboard Network Port                    Included
         Operating System: Genuine MS Windows 7 Home         Included
         Premium 64-Bit Edition
         ORIGIN Maximum Protection Shipping Process:         Included
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         Shipping Warranty with DVD image and Lifetime
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         Free ORIGIN T-shirt: ORIGIN T-shirt XLarge


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Robert A. Christman

RAD

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 07:24:19 pm »
February 24, 2012, 07:24:19 pm
Looks awesome!

cpercer

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 08:02:15 pm »
February 24, 2012, 08:02:15 pm
right on...i have lightened the scene a bit. thanks.

How many lights?
about 87 right now
- some spot, some omni

performance has been fine. it does seem to take a bit longer to produce the highest quality animations that i like to do but i have been doing 1280x720 tests of those short clips around an hour or so i wanna say??? i should have paid attention.

i am using this ORIGIN PC:

taken from this discussion:
http://lumion3d.com/forum/index.php?topic=1479.0


Researched custom build shops like ava, alienware, falcon northwest, cyberpower, etc.
ended up choosing ORIGIN PC based on the reviews i found. They are a newer company that formed from 3 ex-Alienware execs.

We were getting down to crunch time and none of us here are hardware gurus but i think this will meet our needs for LUMION.

very good sales experience with ORIGIN PC. very helpful. sounds good so far...

i went with the 3gb gtx 580 graphics card because it is the most powerful single core card right now and LUMION only uses one core...or something like that   as mentioned above

let me know if u know anything different though. please feel free to scrutinize. i really enjoy learning the details when i can.
8-10 days to build, 4 days to ship from florida.

ORIGIN PC, Genisis:

ORDER DETAILS                                     UNIT PRICE     TOTAL
======================================================================
QTY       1
SKU       DT002
PRODUCT   DesktopTech Intel P67
PRICE                                                        $1,335.00
         Premium Case Charge: None
         Case (Chassis): Silverstone Raven 2
         CaseExteriors: Case Exterior: No Paint
         CaseLighting: CaseLighting: No Lighting
         CaseWindow: Case Window
         The ORIGIN Difference: Truly Custom PCs. Want a     Included
         component that is not on our site? Call or email
         us and we will include it in your system.
         Case Fans: None                                     Included
         Motherboard: EVGA P67 SLI B3 stepping (USB 3.0,       $19.00
         SATA 6Gb/s,)
         Processor: Intel Core i5 2500 3.30GHz LGA 1155        $30.00
         Quad-Core Processor (6MB L3 Cache)
         System Cooling: High - Performance Air Cooling        $65.00
         Thermalright Venomous X CPU Cooler
         Bay Devices: None                                   Included
         Media Card Reader: None                             Included
         Power Supply: 750 Watt Silverstone PSU                $54.00
         Graphics Card: Single 3GB GDDR5 Nvidia GTX 580       $531.00
         Memory: 16GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600Mhz (4x        $172.00
         4GB) Dual Channel Memory
         RAID Controllers: None                              Included
         RAID Configuration: None                            Included
         Hard Drive One: 320GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM,   Included
         16MB Cache HDD
         Hard Drive Two: None                                Included
         Hard Drive Three: None                              Included
         Hard Drive Four: None                               Included
         Optical Drive One: 24X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)     Included
         w/double layer write capability
         Optical Drive Two: None                             Included
         Audio: 8-channel High Definition Surround Sound     Included
         Support
         Networking: Onboard Network Port                    Included
         Operating System: Genuine MS Windows 7 Home         Included
         Premium 64-Bit Edition
         ORIGIN Maximum Protection Shipping Process:         Included
         ORIGIN Wooden Crate Armor
         Warranty: 1 Year Part Replacement and 45 Day Free   Included
         Shipping Warranty with DVD image and Lifetime
         Support/Labor

ADDITIONAL CHARGES
         Free ORIGIN T-shirt: ORIGIN T-shirt XLarge


                                                 Subtotal:  $2,206.00
                                         Shipping Charges:    $105.03
                                                =====================
                                                    Total:  $2,311.03



There are two things I would have done differently:  i7 processor, although this isn't a big deal and it would have bumped the cost up about $500 or so depending on which version you got.  I think you should drop the 320gig HD and get an SSD for programs and a larger HD for storage.  Hard drives are cheap nowadays, and the Solid State Drive is such a huge performance gain for any system, expensive per gig but worth it.  Intel makes a great SSD.

Architectural Innovation

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 08:59:08 pm »
February 24, 2012, 08:59:08 pm
cpercer, thanks for the suggestions. i ordered this in july 2011, so i would do those things differently now. BTW, i am very happy with ORIGIN and the PC. It's been awesome!

bob
Robert A. Christman

Architectural Innovation

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 09:54:35 pm »
February 24, 2012, 09:54:35 pm
still adding lights, etc.

still WIP.
Robert A. Christman

cbcarch

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 10:00:06 pm »
February 24, 2012, 10:00:06 pm
still adding lights, etc.

still WIP.

Looking good!

You might consider using a "luminous material" on the glass/windows
to make them glow? Or if performance hit is not too much, place lights inside
to make the bldg. glow.


cpercer

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 11:58:29 pm »
February 24, 2012, 11:58:29 pm
Looking good!

You might consider using a "luminous material" on the glass/windows
to make them glow? Or if performance hit is not too much, place lights inside
to make the bldg. glow.



A while back Ferry and Remko mentioned a way to make a room seem voluminous by using a special texture.  I wonder if they could comment?

Brian Hengelsberg

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2012, 03:50:43 pm »
February 25, 2012, 03:50:43 pm
Looking good, I might suggest a little more ambient shadows as it looks a little flat.  This will help in differentiating planes and add a bit of death to the walls that are long and one material.  Otherwise, looking good!

BMcIsaac

Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2012, 04:06:57 pm »
February 25, 2012, 04:06:57 pm
Nice scenes....not used to seeing birds eye night shots...overall darn good.
There has been something bugging me about the Lumion sky. The night shots expose the dome (if that is what it is)...it is too small. When the camera tilts everything moves, the sky and the entourage and that throws me off, feels like you are in a box. Considering the distance to those stars......they don't move at all. Not sure how one is going to deal with limitless space so I guess a solution is not easy.
Thanks Robert

Architectural Innovation

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Re: First Night Animations - FINALLY!
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 02:37:23 pm »
February 27, 2012, 02:37:23 pm
Thanks to all for the feedback. I really appreciate it.

cbarch, cpercer:
I wanted to illuminate ALL of the windows but the night scene is supposed to show an event in the evening that would not included the "Educational Wings" which are all of the windows to the left and right of the entrance. The "Event" would be taking place in the middle of the building in the large group spaces and the other parts of the building would be locked down. But, i am going to make the argument that we show it lit up for artistic purposes. i agree it would make the whjole thing look better.

modelhead:
I am struggling with the sky issue too, but in the end, i just hope it wont distract from the animation. maybe i just need to re-think the views to limit that exposure.

Brian: i hope you meant "depth" and not "death" ;) haha. But yes, i agree. i need to work with the settings as well as ALL of the textures to get a better over-all feel. Those settings need to be adjusted for each clip, it seems, because the effect is much different when closer or farther away. I am going to post a new test and see what people suggest as far as getting those settings for diffuse and ambient shadows tweeked for difft view distances. i really want to figure out a good rule of thumb to get the best look.

thanks,

bob

Robert A. Christman